The Sole Justification I Can Find for the Second World War

is that it provided Shostakovich with the opportunity to write this:

6 responses to “The Sole Justification I Can Find for the Second World War

  1. Conflict with Hitler was inevitable. The only question was when – over the Rhineland (he would have fallen), over the Czech lands (he would have fallen), or over Poland (too late – the German military has now been built up for war).

  2. There is a basic rule of imperialist struggle; you either fight or succumb- the latter either as a conquest or as a client state. This was how politics worked for several thousand years, as empires, large and small, fought with one another.

    It is utterly implausible to suggest that a German Empire and the British Empire could have co-existed, especially as by this stage, due to naval technology, empires (in particular the British one) were not contiguous territory, but fragmentary, resulting in enormous amounts of border to defend.

    We would have fought, one way or another. Whether we should have done so even earlier as Paul suggests is a matter for debate. The full scale World War that we fought created ample moral justification for the total conquest of Germany and suppression of bothg Nazism and German imperialist designs in general, which may not have been available had a relatively small conflict flared up the instant he took back the Rhineland.

    • Hitler was special – the policy of appeasement MIGHT have worked with someone else. Although Hitler was the head of a demented movement (even without him – there is still the whole National Socialist movement).

      However, it did not really make sense in its own terms.

      The German tank forces in early 1938 were actually very poor – handing them the Czech factories was insane.

      The German opposition was also ignored – all of Bishop Bell’s stuff.

      Even the handing over of the German attack plans in 1940 (first for Norway then for France) was ignored.

  3. Of course there is a view that the war was just a plot by the Anglo-American Jew big business corporate capitalists. But I would not call such a view “libertarian”.

  4. The problem of WW2 was that it was the fourth part of that particular World War of the second half of the second millennium. You have to see these things in rather broader and longer timelines than is commonly taught. This World War, lasting on and off almost 600 years but with long armistice periods inbetween short sharp bouts of conflict, is to do with the battle of individual liberty versus collective tyranny – but a tyranny managed by oligarchies…oh wait …er….that’s what they do.

    The first part was the world war of 1742-59, which settled whether the “sphere”, carefully presented to all by scientists and cartographers, would be the Anglosphere or the Francosphere. The Franscophones lost.

    The second part was where the dissaffected and more “progressive and leftist” elements of the Francosphere under that Sicilian bandit Napoleon Buonaparte would be able to mobilize the entirety of the military powers of the European Monarchies (he wasn’t interested in anything else, even though he “organised rubbish collection on Elba”) could finally unseat the London-centred-Anglosphere….and remember that the USA was not going to be a willing partner right then either….they’d absorbed and integrated millions of Francophones also by then…the Francophones lost this one too.

    The third part was what we are taught as World War One. This was where the French-Germans found out that the German-Germans were co-opting the Austrian-Germans to build up a case for assaulting and eliminating the non-German-Russians, while also secretly planning to to to the French-Germans what they did to the Austrian-Germans in 1866 at Hradec-Kralove (I have not funny characters on here.) The German-Germans would also walk all over the Belgians to get at the French-Germans and hope that there’d be no come-back. They also hoped that the English, who they thought were Germans, would do nowt and stay schtumm in the hope of a cheap deal about “empires”. This is because the German-Germans had totally misunderstood the concept of “empire”, rather like the Belgians did in spades, and their “Spanish Nehterlands” forbears did before them. They thought that you sailed to places, occupied them, took them over, killed a few hundred or a few thousand key people, settled lots of your mates, and took all the money, making you and your mates rich. They failed to understand. (The Dutch parts of the Spanish Netherlands quickly learned not to be like that, probably because of us in the 1500s/1600s/1700s over here.)

    The problem about the third part of this war was that we let the French, who were vindictive and grasping and wanted money and trucks, and the Americans, who at that time did not understand the strategic problem, dictate important parts of the Versailles Treaty, which established a hiatus in __The War__ .

    The fourth part of course is what is colloquially called “World War Two”. The bad outcomes from the previous part of this overall war had caused German-Germans to lean towards a GramscoFabiaNazi mountebank who, being clever and capturing the right sort of organisation early enough, and then by looking into his audiences’ eyes and telling them what he knew they wanted to hear, is the adumbrator of modern media-wirleless-television.

    I have to pause for breath.

    Er, if we had called Hitler’s bluf earlier, say 1936, 7, or so, we’d not have been in such a good position in 1939. By 1939, given that extra time, we had already worked out how we would degrade airborne assaults using radar-directed fighter groups. We had already moved a lot of manufacturing onto a “war footing”. Hawker’s boards even had “ordered” tooling and materials for 1,000 Hurricanes to be produced, without waiting for an “order from the Air ministry”. (The order did come and the Hurricanes were therefore early.)

    We could not have saved Poland any more than we could have landed soldiers on Mars. But at least we wree in a better position in 1939 than we would have been in 1936 or 37 or 38.

  5. And there is no guarantee that if Hitler’s Generals had had him shot in say, 1937 or so, we’d have not had to fight a global war ultimately against Nazism, which by then had momentum of its own.