Time to “come out”.

David Davis

As Überbloggauleiter in charge of the daily-shitegeist of the Libertarian Alliance, I have this morning taken a decision.

This is in part based on my long association with the LA, and what it ought to be for in the end: and also on my long, warm and personal friendship with old Chris Tame and the other early-buggers, most of whom are still about, thank God. If the rest of the Committee and the Advisory Council of the Alliance disagree with what I shall here propose, then they are free to say so on here: we can have a civilised and informed discussion (as you do on here) in full view of our readers, be they friendly or otherwise, about the merits of the following statement:-

The Libertarian Alliance’s opinion on the current situation in British Party Politics is that none of the “main” political parties is up to the task, intellectually or in terms of willpower, to execute the steps needed to liberalise the UK (and/or any of its component parts) and return the State in The United Kingdom forwards, and back thus to its proper size and roles. This list includes the following:

(1) The Labour Party

(2) The Conservative and Unionist Party

(3) the Liberal Democratic Party

(4) The British national Party

(5) The United Kingdom Independence Party

(6) The Green Party

(7) Any other parties not heretofore mentioned (eg Sinn Fein, DUP, SDLP, SNP, Free Wales or whatever it’s called these days, toads-and-newts, the “friends of beer” and the like) except for…

The Libertarian Party of the United Kingdom

In future, it should be understood that the Libertarian Alliance wishes to see, will henceforth actively work online for, a government administration formed by the LPUK. The LA thus rejects any further attempts to try and influence the policy positions of the “other maim parties” (I accidentally typed “maim” but it’s apposite) as they have all shown themselves, with a few honourable exceptions ammong individuals***, antipathetic to positive chance in favour of more individual liberty. nothing is going to change the positions of the main parties this side of a revolution, and these are destructive and undesirable.

I also suggest that the Libertarian Alliance formally state that its members may stand as individuals for election on LPUK tickets.

***Frank Field, David Davis, Daniel Hannan, Enoch Powell (brown-bread sadly) (apologies for not mentioning others, have to go answer phone…)

A very important post by The Devil, on reading, made me think this is now the right thing to do. I quote from his excerpt from Ian Parker-Joseph’s piece:-

On the 1st of January 2009, the Libertarian Party celebrated its first Birthday. From its inception at the beginning of 2008 support for the Libertarian ideals laid out in our manifesto has been steadily growing, and today we have taken the first major steps from that single national structure into regional Branch formations.

We have formally launched the South East Branch this morning, to add to the one we have in the North West, and new Branches throughout the country will soon follow, as will the names and details of our first PPC’s and Local Election Candidates, which will continually be updated as new candidates are taken through our selection process.

As this country slips further into Authoritarian rule the support for Libertarian ideals has never been stronger, or more vocal.

However, as people who are coming to LPUK are telling us in no uncertain terms, the Conservative Party has no room for Libertarian thought, Cameron has made clear that he will be continuing on the present path to a Federal Europe and will not be walking with Libertarians , Osborne is providing more Keynesian economics, and William Hague has refused to commit to a referendum if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified. In other words, more of the same under a disguised ‘nudge’.

Those who have come to us from the LibDems tell of horrific infighting, with the SDP controlled leadership squeezing the Liberal element out of the party, marginalising them at branch level and suggesting that there is no room in the modern LibDem party for them. The LibDems have lost their Liberal roots and become the Social Democratic party, set to continue where Brown leaves off. More of the same.

Both LibDems and Conservatives are on a collision course with the British people, 57% of whom have now indicated that they no longer wish to remain in the EU. They are looking for a genuinely free society, services that work, lower taxes, much smaller government, less nannying and laws that are Made in Britain.



The voters of Britain are not stupid people, they are not happy about being led on the road to Authoritarian rule, and they are more than aware that the Libertarian Party is the only party that offers a direct rebut to the path we are currently on.

15 responses to “Time to “come out”.

  1. I don’t get a vote, but I would urge the LA not to do this.
    There is far too much disagreement over the desirability of a Libertarian Party amongst libertarians – those who feel there should be one have the LPUK now, and can contribute to that as well as the LA.

    The LA is a broad church. and should remain so, stating support for any political party would work against that.

    Of course, I have no problem with individual members of the LA standing for election as LPUK candidates in an individual capacity, and I don’t think anyone could seriously object.

    I think the LA policy should stay the same as it is now and any party affiliation as an organisation should be rejected.

    (I do wish the LPUK all the best, but I increasingly take the view that my energies are best directed in different directions)

  2. oK, we’ll see what everyone else says.

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  4. Steven Northwood

    I’m against it in the first instance, but I can see where the First Sea Lord is coming from.

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to to figure that there is a considerable gap between what most people want and the facts.

    If only for good government though, then we could all talk about something else, instead of being stuck in a stasis of dull frustrated rage, such as Lemmy sang.

    Mind you, maybe it can be enjoyed, by pure disregard. But, in our case, at least there is consciousness, before the lights go out, even if it comes to nothing.

    I think support due to cause, such as publishing LP media and so on, perhaps more so than recently seeing as David has suggested it, but still keep the LA as a broad church for discussion, and development of unattached ideas.

    More interesting and fruitful that way. But still, support the LP.

  5. You should seek to meet with LPUK and try and understand their postition on a few issues not least of which – I’d suggest – is their commitment to free markets.

    For more on why I have doubts (well, certainties) about LPUK see for example this comment thread:

    The Devil’s Kitchen

  6. To Davidncl:

    I have read the appropriate thread, thank you for flagging it.

    The LPUK is not as totally-free-market-oriented as perhaps we would like. But:

    (1) They are young and still finding their feet, and have not the experience perhaps that we have of trying to build a broad libertarian church over 40-odd years. (D’you know? I’ve just realised I’ve been in this show nearly that long?Scary really.) At this stage they may be trying to be a lot of things to a lot of different people: we don’t have to.

    (2) Their manifesto is still as I understand in flux, and being crafted.

    (3) __ANYTHING__ that’s ostensibly (even if roughly) libertarian has got to be better than all the other parties on offer.

    As you all know, the LA did try for some years to infiltrate and influence the FCS and the Tory party in the 80s, under Chris Tame. It failed of course, as I suppose we ought to have seen and known, but I still agree that it was a noble objective and had to be tried. the cost was minimal, although the failure cost the the Tories, and the cause of Liberty, dearly.

    Perhaps if we come out to actively help the LPUK in its endeavours, it might be more amenable to our (how shall I put it this time?)


    Yep that will do. We shall not deviate from our own private historic mission – we shall advise, frequently and trenchantly if need be! They can always decline to take it!

  7. Some of us might also even send them some money!

    Or even stand for election (not me thanks, I’m too old and ugly.)

  8. As for the calibre of prospective Parliamentary candidate they should go for:

    pretty young girls who have, after leaving school with no GCSEs, risen to Command Armoured brigades in the Field before the age of 30, simultaneously translated the Gospels from the original Aramaic via Greek, and later founded and ran their own international multiple retail grocery chains.

  9. Not unemployable bozo scumbags from The university of North East Brumley, with a “degree” in “politics, sociology and ballot-box-management”.

  10. Andrew Withers (LPUK)

    An interesting Poll- Some of us are not so young sadly, but the sign of the times are that a lot of the membership are.

    I have never been one not to take or listen to advice and I don’t think anybody else has had any advice offered by the LA

    Lets talk, nothing ventured nothing gained.

  11. ” __ANYTHING__ that’s ostensibly (even if roughly) libertarian has got to be better than all the other parties on offer.”

    I don’t agree. It’s ostensibly libertarian but actually anti-free market, pro state. Supporting them may become a real, profound embarassment and seriously damage the cause. Wait for them to grow up and then see what they stand for. Engage, talk, infulence – if you can by all means.

  12. Andrew Withers (Lpuk)

    It’s ostensibly libertarian but actually anti-free market, pro state.

    Unbelievable ! Wait until we grow up !!

    It is that patronising attitude that puts people off Libertarians- we will carry on and engage with real people proving that Libertarianism is relevant- when you feel like talking. We are ready to talk.

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  14. Guys, you can throw mud if you like, but as we ‘grow up’ (an emotive term generally used by instinctive autocrats to disguise their own vacuousness) we are likely to become more unpalatable: we will be engaged in real politics and employing pragmatism. The Austrian methodology must be our driving force, else we will go the way of the ‘big three’, but there is little room for blind and stubborn ideology in a political party. Those who can accept this should join and contribute to forestalling the endarkenment, those who cannot had best stock-up on popcorn.