One in five British churches faces being lost, if the atheist socialist extreme UK guvmint can get its way.

Brixworth ChurchDavid Davis

Here is where they will be lost.

The point is that Libertarianism has only arisen, let alone flourished (if you can define what we are doing as “flourishing”) in specifically Christian, and also specifically English-speaking civilisation. A great part of what defines this sort of society in which we are (still, sort of) fortunate to live, is the presence and influence in “local” “communities” of a thing called a “Church”. It may have been there in some concrete form or other for up to fifteen centuries. Brixworth in Northants is an example.

I believe that money is denied to these buildings by British socialist Gramsco-Eagletonians (most of whom have now got into the guvmint or are operating the levers of power in the “administration”, including all UK Soviets) for a reason. It is precisely because they passionately oppose the existence of voluntary institutions such as the Christian Religion, the Women’s Institute, the Boy Scouts and Girl Guides and the like, the local Cricket Club, and so on, that they want these buildings, many of which are architecturally and historically important, to fall into ruin. Of course, for them to replace existing human nature with another one in their own unfathomably evil image, a new form of human nature and associational behaviour has to be created, and it can only flourish on the ruins of the old one, in their eyes.

What utter bastards they must be, to get to think like that.

Does anybody think that powerful libertarian forces will become deployable in places such as, er, say…



Caracas (er, possibly! Why? Discuss.)

Much Wenlock (yes.)



6 responses to “One in five British churches faces being lost, if the atheist socialist extreme UK guvmint can get its way.

  1. So… because you think they are worth it, the rest of us should pay out to keep these buildings?

    That’s very libertarian of you.

  2. This illustrates nicely the difference between two types of libertarianism:- The one, libertarianism as an attitude and an approach to life, realises that liberty is a product of only certain moral, political and legal cultures, and realises that liberty will not long exist in a vacuum. The other, libertarianism as a religion, sees it as a universal panacea that can be easily exported everywhere regardless of local history, culture, politics or legal system.
    In the very imperfect world we live in it is essential we realise who our existential enemies are:- the Frankfurt school marxists and the islamists.
    If subsidising churchs, if building churches, if otherwise splashing out money coerced out of the taxpayer will serve to undermine and destroy these people and their beliefs, then doing so should certainly not be dismissed out of hand.
    Put at its simplest, our enemies hate churches (and synagogues); They represent and embody institutions in opposition to their plans; Think on that.

  3. To take the same thing from a different angle, in 1984 George Orwell explained the philosophy of Minitrue (the government ministry that dealt in lies) as follows: “Who controls the present, controls the past; Who controls the past, controls the future.” That analysis is in essence true.
    Christian churches through out Britain represent well over a thousand years of continuity. Going deeper Christianity was one of the essential ingredients out of which liberty grew. (This is so despite the persecution of Galileo and all the crimes of the Catholic and other Christian churches.) Both our marxist and islamist enemies desire to completely end that continuity, and replace it with a year zero when our civilization comes to an end and is replaced by their respective systems. We should bolster any institution that is an impediment to either group of vermin getting their way. (Furthermore, we will have to start the long march back through all the institutions.)
    Incidentally, I am an atheist, so whatever it is my view is not special pleading on behalf of my religion.

  4. Tristan, there is a thing called a “lottery”. it is currently a way of taking money from poor people, which they can’t really afford, and giving it to rich socialists and their friends. It’s really just another form of socialist taxation.

    If it were possible to keep the lottery running after a Libertarian government (er?) gained power, then given that nobody who “plays it” gives a stuff about where the money goes (see the present situation) then the odd couple of billion might be spent on a few thousand harmless and quite beautiful buildings that help a nation to define what it is and was and will be and where it came from.

    Whtout that knowledge, libertarianism is quite useless.

    While at University, i motorcycled round the nation, and photographed in B/W (what I could afford then) about 1/5th of England’s medieval churches. I did concentrate on the smaller less known ones, although I did “do” a few of the cathedrals.

    The proximal rationale for my archive, which contains about 640,000 B/W negatives, was that

    “If THese ever fall down, then we will know what they were like.”

    I really thought they were quite touching monuments to the labours of un-known and heroic individuals, who wanted nothing more than to help build something beautiful for themselves, and for those who might come after. The dust of these un-nameable men probably lies in the churchyards of the same places. I just wanted someone to remember them. I was young, and newly-non-socialist.

    I never never thought that anybody would deliberately let them fall down. Never: I am actually quite sad about this matter..

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  6. We could stop taxing people to the hilt and let them decide what to do with their money.

    I see no reason for collective preservation of the past, or collective destruction of it

    I happen to rather like church buildings, despite being an atheist, and I’m happy to support the maintenance of some with my own money. I do object to any use of state force to preserve them.

    As for the lottery, I’d hope in a libertarian society it would be entirely private.