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The Great Firewall of Australia, and a caption competition

David Davis

Perhaps this blog will be filtered. I do not know.

"Free speech? Up yours for the children..."

And the term “Communications Minister” sounds tautological to someone like me. Perhaps Libertarians are just joyless cynical bastards, and don’t deserve such an exciting jolly world to enthuse about, since we just sit about whingeing and monaing about lefty scumbags who want to destroy everything that’s good.

And to follow what I said below, this just in…

David Davis

It came from someone on the comment thread on here.

Aynbody going to watch Question Time?

Michale Winning

The fascist left have guaranteed that Nick Griffin of the BNP will get prime time billing tonight or whenever it is. What they don’t get is that we all know they’re spitting tacks over the BNP exact;y ‘coz it’s stripping votes off what they think is their own little Pocket Borough. Ive just learned about these and that’s what Labour thinks its’ entitled to. So they are climibing the wall with anger and rage at the BNP, which is just a socialist party realy but a more nationalist one than they like.

You know, if libertarianism os to get off the ground ever, and les’t face it we are not exactly winning right today, all these bloody people may just have to go. I don’t care where or how, just go. Gone. Deprived of power, amployment (they don’t do anything worthwhile anyway) and the ability to influence events. It’s just too effing difficult to deal with them and their whingeing and obfuscation of everything that’s objectivly right. I’m not saying the BNP is right, far from it: why does everybody have to be seen to say loudly that they think the BNP’s wrong even though everybody knows you know it is?

But the sort of people writhing in public rage for TV consumption,  at the BNP’s man being on the telly, are the same sort of people that attack and try to shut down power stations. This doesn’t make the BNP right, and it just shows up where the enemies of liberty and free speech are coming from.

Sorry about that rant, I couldnt help ot.

Don’t take offence: it can be infectious.

David Davis

Guess what? Alleged “offence” to the [stricter parts of] the Hindu religion has been given by this:-

If the link is broken by the Torygraph or by threats, I have downloaded it and will reinsert it directly into the post, so don’t worry.

The offence-police clearly are watching minutely, all the detailed activities of what Mao would have called “Wicked capitalists and running-dogs of the Boss Class”. This appeared as a promotional poster in 3 (yes just three) restaurants in Spain.

It’s  __always__ always always something in, or done by, “Western” culture, isn’t it, that does the offending.

__Never__ never the other way about. Strange really, since we are such nice, inoffensive, tolerant and accommodating people. Perhaps you had not noticed this, since we are so submissive. We need to locate the source***, therefore, of all these allegations of “offence”.

You can bet your life that if a whatever-it-is-bar or bistro in somewhere-or-other was to depict a devil brandishing items that looked like a Communion-Wafer and a wine-flaggon, as part of some promotion, nobody in the West would object. We take this sort of stuff in our stride: it’s what we’re like – f*** it, we’re too bloody busy anyway, to worry about these trifles.

I should have thought that, Hindus being broadly associated with the Indian Persuasion, were more sensible than to allow themselves to get caught up as yet more innocent catspaws {like the moslems have been suborned already} in the generalised GramscoFabiaNazis’ war. This war is to destroy what matters about Western Civilisation. Like toleration of others’ customs of free speech, humour, and so on.

This war is run, in the main, by really really nasty Westerners, who hold to atavistic, pre-barbaian even, notions about how a human civilisation ought to look and arrange itself. These particular Gramscotrons will not scruple to use as innocent unaware pawns, those groups and religions who take themselves and their vulgates sufficiently seriously to be persuaded that they can be “offended” by what the controlling Gramscotrons point to.

***Very dangerous people, mostly indigenous, that we allow to flourish in our midst.

As libertarians, we are continually offended, 24/7, by the outpourings of socialists and all other varieties of GramscoFabiaNazi murderers, “dear leaders”, “intellectuals”, “educationists”, “social psycholgists”, politicians and the like. But we get over it and move on. All we really do is plan how to remove all barriers to a pfoperly-functioning minimal-statist (or even non-statist if that is what people actually want) civilisation, in which one is free to __say__ or depict anything one pleases. But in which __ nobody__  may employ coercion, threats or force to drive others in an unwilling direction.

Just like some “Hindus” have “driven” Burger King.

Nightjack has gone down … more Police bloggers needed now.

David Davis

I head it from Obnoxio, and it was sadly confirmed by Old Holborn, that the bastard enemy class press the Times has revealed the identity of an important and sound blogger. You will all have known Nightjack, or most of you.

Old Holborn has some more dirt on the bugger (who outed Nightjack.)

Nightjack won the Orwell Prize for blogging in April this year. A sad loss his ceasing to blog will be. here’s the offending Times piece. F888 The Times, may it go bust in interesting and hyper-creative ways, and soon.

May Foster’s head fall off and tumbel onto the floor with a loud thud-thud-thud, at some incovenient and embarrassing moment, like when he is having sex with a girl.

Sean Gabb at the Oxford Union, 26th February 2009

Thursday, 26th February 2009…a date to watch, for some fireworks…..

At The Oxford Union,

Dr Sean Gabb of the Libertarian Alliance

shall oppose the following  motion:-

“This House Would Restrict The Free Speech of Extremists”.

Geert Wilders, Islam and fundamentalist Christianity: further analysis

David Davis

Dizzy Thinks that some counterfactual thinking is in order. Hat tip Guido Fawkes.

We learn now that Geert Wilders is to be charged with “hate speech“-  whatever that might be. And this is intruigingly disarming and frank about what the problem is we face in the West.

Sean Gabb on Carol Thatcher, Golliwogs and Jeremy Clarkson

UPDATE:- From the Blogmaster of the Libertarian Alliance:-

To editors/ compilers/bloggers

Please feel free to syndicate this post, unedited please, in its entirety, wherever it pleases you to do so.

To reproduce by permission of © Dr Sean Gabb and the Libertarian Alliance

(Oh, and you can repro this while you are about it.) Nothing to do with the below really, except we invented the thing.)

Free Life Commentary,
A Personal View from
The Director of the Libertarian Alliance
Issue Number 180
8th February 2009
Linking url: http://www.seangabb.co.uk/flcomm/flc180.htm

On Golliwogs, One-Eyed Scottish Idiots
and Sending Poo Through the Post.
By Sean Gabb

In England, one of those weeks has just ended that define an entire period. This is no consolation for those who have suffered, and who may yet suffer worse. But I have no doubt that it is worth describing what has happened and trying to explain what it means.

Let me begin with the facts.

First, it was reported on the 3rd February 2009 that Carol Thatcher, daughter of Margaret Thatcher, had been dismissed from her job as a BBC presenter for having called a black tennis player a golliwog. She did not say this on air, but during a private conversation. Even so, the BBC defended its decision on the grounds that any language of a “racist nature” was “wholly unacceptable”.

Second, demands are rising at the moment for Jeremy Clarkson, another presenter at the BBC, to be dismissed for having called the Prime Minister a “one-eyed Scottish idiot who keeps telling us everything’s fine”. Various Scotch politicians and spokesmen for the blind let up an immediate chorus of horror that has resulted in a conditional apology from Mr Clarkson, but may not save his career.

Third, it was reported on the 2nd February 2009 that the comedian and Labour Party supporter Jo Brand was being investigated by the police for allegedly inciting criminal acts against her political opponents. While presenting a BBC television programme on the 16th January 2009, she rejoiced that the membership list of the British National Party had been stolen and published on the Internet. Her exact words were: “Hurrah! Now we know who to send the poo to“. The natural meaning of her words was that it would be a fine idea to look up members of this party and send excrement to them through the post. The British National Party put in an immediate complaint, using the hate speech laws made during the past generation. According to a BBC spokesman, “We do not comment on police matters. However, we believe the audience would have understood the satirical nature of the remarks”. It is relevant to note that Mrs Brand was present when Carol Thatcher made her “golliwog” remarks, and may have had a hand in denouncing her.

Fourth, In The Times on the 6th February, someone called Matthew Syed wrote how personally oppressed he felt by words like “golliwog”, and how good it was that “society” was taking a stand against them. Two pages later, someone called Frank Skinner defended the employers in the north of England who prefer to employ foreigners on the grounds that foreigners are “better looking” and “less trouble”. The possibility that he has broken one of our hate speech laws will probably never be considered.

This is a gathering of facts that occurred or were made public during one week. But if we relax the time limit, similar facts pour in beyond counting. There was, for example, the pillorying last month of one of the Queen’s grandsons for calling someone a “Paki“. Or, to give myself as an example, there was my BBC debate of the 16th February 2004 with Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, an Asian immigrant who seems incapable of seeing any issue except in terms of white racism. During this debate, I asked her: “Yasmin, are you saying that the white majority in this country is so seething with hatred and discontent that it is only restrained by law from rising up and tearing all the ethnic minorities to pieces?” Her answer was “Yes”. It is possible she did not understand my question. It is possible she would have clarified or retracted her answer had the debate been allowed to continue. Sadly for her, the BBC immediately switched off my microphone and threw me into the street. Mrs Brown was allowed to continue uninterrupted to till the end of the programme. The hundreds of complaints received by the BBC and the Commission for Racial Equality were all either ignored or dismissed with the assurance that nothing untoward had taken place in the studio. I accept that Mrs Brown might not have meant what she said. Had I made such a comment about Asians or blacks, however, I might have been facing a long stretch in prison.

But let me return to the most recent facts. The most obvious reason why these broadly similar incidents are being treated so differently is that Jo Brand and Frank Skinner are members of the new ruling class that formally took power in 1997. They can vilify their opponents as freely as Dr Goebbels did his. Any of the hate speech laws that might – objectively read – moderate their language will be regarded as nullities. The police had no choice but to investigate Mrs Brand for her alleged offence committed live on television before several million people. But they made it clear that no charges would result. According to a police spokesman, “The chances of this going further are very remote. The idea that the BNP are claiming they are the victim of a race offence is mildly amusing, to say the least”. It may be amusing. The statement itself is interesting, though, as a formal admission that law in this country now means whatever the executive finds convenient.

Carol Thatcher and Jeremy Clarkson are not members of the the ruling class. They have no such immunity. Mr Clarkson may get away with his act of hate speech because he is popular and clever, and because the main object of his contempt is only the Prime Minister. Miss Thatcher may not be allowed to get away with her act. She used a word that borders on the illegal. And she is the daughter of Margaret Thatcher. She is the daughter, that is, of the woman elected and re-elected three times on the promise that she would make the British State smaller and stop it from being made the vehicle for a totalitarian revolution by stealth. Of course, she broke her promises. She did nothing to stop the takeover of the state administration by politically correct totalitarians. But there was a while when the people who actually won the cultural revolution in this country thought they would lose. They looked at her rhetoric. They noted the millions of votes she piled up in her second and third general elections. And they trembled. As said, they won. Mrs Thatcher herself is too old to suffer more than endless blackening at the hands of the victors who now comprise the ruling class. But they still tremble at the thought of how her shadow darkened their 1980s. And if they can do nothing to her now, her daughter can be ruined, and that will now be tried with every chance of success.

It might be argued that what Miss Thatcher and Mr Clarkson said was offensive, and that they are in trouble because we have a much greater regard for politeness than used to be the case. Perhaps it is offensive to say that a black man looks like a golliwog. Perhaps it is offensive to imply that Scotchmen are idiots or that people with defective sight also have defective judgement. It might be. But it might also be offensive to millions of people that the BBC – which is funded by a compulsory levy on everyone who can receive television signals – broadcasts a continual stream of nudity and obscene language; and that it pays the biggest salary in its history to Jonathan Ross, whose only public talent is for foul-mouthed buffoonery. The British ruling class – especially through the BBC, its main propaganda outreach – has a highly selective view of what is offensive.

And it is worth replying that the alleged offensiveness of the statements is minimal. Let us forget about golliwogs and implied sneers at the blind. Let us take the word “nigger”. Now, this has not been a word admitted in polite company in England since about the end of the eighteenth century. Anyone who does use the word shows himself a person of low breeding. Whatever its origins, its use for centuries has been as an insult to black people. Any reasonable black man, therefore, called a nigger, has cause to take offence.

This being said, only moderate offence can be reasonable. Anyone who runs about, wailing that he has been hurt by a word as if it were a stick taken to his back, and calling for laws and social ostracism to punish the speaker, is a fool or a villain. And I can think of few other epithets that a reasonable person would greet with more than a raised eyebrow – “poof”, “paki”, “papist”, “mohammedan”, “chinkie” and the like. Anyone who finds these words at the very worst annoying should grow up. We can be quite sure that most of the Asian languages now spoken in this country contain some very unflattering words to describe the English – for example, goreh, gweilo, and so forth. There is no pressure, internal or external, for these to be dropped. And we know that there are any number of organisations set up by and for non-whites in this country from which the English are barred – for example, the National Black Police Association.

However, the highly selective use of speech codes and hate speech laws has nothing really to do with politeness. It is about power. The British ruling class may talk the language of love and diversity and inclusiveness. What it obviously wants is the unlimited power to plunder and enslave us, while scaring us into the appearance of gratitude for our dispossession. Because the tyrannised are always the majority in a tyranny, they must be somehow prevented from combining. The soviet socialists and the national socialists kept control by the arbitrary arrest and torture or murder of suspected opponents. That is not presently acceptable in England or in the English world. Control here is kept by defining all opposition as “hatred” – and by defining all acts or attitudes that might enable opposition as “hatred”.

I am the Director of the Libertarian Alliance. Not surprisingly, my own opposition to the rising tide of despotism is grounded on a belief in individual rights. I may occasionally talk about my ancestral rights as an Englishman, or about how my ancestors fought and died so I could enjoy some now threatened right. I may sometimes half-believe my rhetoric. Ultimately, though, I believe that people have – or should be regarded as having – rights to life, liberty and property by virtue of their human status. Anything else I say really is just a rhetorical device. This is not the case with most other people. For them, opposing the encroachments of a ruling class is grounded on collective identity – “they can’t do that to us“. Now, this sense of collective identity may derive from common religion, common loyalty, common culture, but most often and most powerfully – though these other sources may also be important – from perceived commonality of blood.

Now, this collective identity is not something that is seen at times of emergency, but otherwise is in abeyance. It is important in times of emergency so far as it is always present. People work together when they must because, at all other times, they have a mass of shared rituals and understandings that hold them together. These shared things often define a people in terms of their distinctness from others. Jokes beginning “There was an Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotchman” or “What do you call a Frenchman who…?” are part of what reinforces an English identity. So too are comments and gestures and assumptions that assert the superiority of the English over other peoples. To change my focus for a moment, take the phrase “Goyishe Kopf” – Gentile brains! This is what some Jews say when they do something stupid. It can be taken as expressing hatred and contempt of non-Jews. More reasonably, it is one of those comments that reinforce the Jewish identity.

What Carol Thatcher said was part of this reminding of identity. Her exact words, so far as I can tell, were: “You also have to consider the frogs. You know, that froggy golliwog guy”. The meaning she was trying to convey was: “let us consider how quaint and absurd outsiders are. Is it not nice that we are members of the same group, and that we are so clever and so beautiful?” I am not saying that I approve of what she actually said. Indeed, she would have done better for herself and the English in general had she kept her mouth shut.  Calling someone “froggy” is neither here nor there. Calling him a “golliwog” is moderately hurtful. Saying this on BBC premises, and in front of people like Jo Brand, shows that Miss Thatcher is stupid or that she was drunk. Her words, as reported, do less to reinforce English identity than make the whole thing an embarrassment.

However – her name always aside – she is being punished not because her words were crass, but because they fell into the category of actions that must at all times be discouraged. Powerful or crass to the point of embarrassment, nothing must be tolerated that might tend to promote an English identity. I say an English identity. The rule does not apply to Scotch or Welsh or Irish nationalism. These are not regarded as a danger to the ruling class project of total enslavement. They are controllable by subsidy. More usefully, they are anti-English. The various ethnic nationalisms and Islamic identities are likewise allowed or encouraged. They are not perceived as a danger to the ruling class project of total domination, and may be used against the English. It is English identity that must at all costs be repressed. The English are still the largest national group in these islands, and will remain so at least until 2040, when there may be a non-white majority all through the United Kingdom. English national ways are the raw material from which every liberal doctrine has been refined. The English are an unpleasantly violent nation when pushed too far.

This explains why words and expressions are defined almost at random as “hatred”, and why names of groups and places keep changing almost at random. The purpose is not to protect various minority groups from being hurt – though clever members of these groups may take advantage of the protections. The real purpose is to hobble all expression of English identity. It is to make the words and phrases that come most readily to mind unusable, or usable only with clarifications and pre-emptive cringes that rob them of all power to express protest. Or it is to force people to consult their opponents on what words are currently acceptable – and whoever is allowed to control the terms of debate is likely to win the debate.

And look how easily it can be done. Also during the past week, we have seen working class demonstrations in the north of England against the employment of foreign workers. “British jobs for British workers” they have been chanting. A few raised eyebrows and warnings from Peter Mandelson about the “politics of xenophobia“, and the trade unions have straightaway sold out their members and are preparing to bully them back to work. Better that trade union members scrabble to work for a pound an hour, or whatever, than that they should be suffered to use words like “Eyeties” or “Dagoes”.

I should end by suggesting what can be done to counter this strategy. I suppose the answer is not to behave like Carol Thatcher. We must accept that certain words and phrases have been demonised beyond defence. Some of them are indefensible. These must be dropped. Others that are just about permissible – Scotchman, for example – should be used and defended on all occasions. We should also at all times bear in mind that political correctness is not about protecting the weak but disarming the potentially strong, and it must be made clear to the ruling class that its management of language has been noticed and understood and rejected. A strategy of apparently casual offence, followed by partial and unconvincing apology – of the sort that we may have seen from Jeremy Clarkson – may also be appropriate.

Another strategy worth considering is the one adopted by the British National Party. In a free country, Jo Brand would be at perfect liberty to incite criminal acts against unnamed and reasonably unidentifiable people. But we do not live in a free country. There is a mass of laws that criminalise speech that was legal even a few years ago. The response to this is to invoke the laws against those who called for them. As said, people like Jo Brand and Yasmin Alibhai Brown are unlikely ever to be prosecuted for crimes of hate speech. But the authorities will occasionally be forced to go through the motions of investigating, and this can be made a form of harassment amounting to revenge. Otherwise, it is useful to establish beyond doubt that the laws are not intended to be enforced according to their apparently universal working.

There is much else to be said. But I suppose the most important thing is not to behave like Carol Thatcher. It will be unfair if she is broken by her words. But if you stick your head into a lion’s mouth, you cannot really complain when you feel the teeth closing round your neck.

All told, this has been an interesting week. Understood rightly, it may turn out to have been a most productive week.

NB—Sean Gabb’s book, Cultural Revolution, Culture War: How Conservatives Lost England, and How to Get It Back, can be downloaded for free from http://tinyurl.com/34e2o3

Interesting idea…libel insurance for bloggers?

David Davis

But if the stalinists, whom we blog about, are actually such astonishingly wicked people (they are) who deserve to be exposed and have rotting stuff thrown at their faces while they are in the Pillory, why then might we need to insure ourselves against their (unjustified) retaliation?

Why can’t socialists and other fascist abusers of other human beings just

(a) go home,

(b) shut up (you’ve lost)

(c) quietly contemplate your cow-bladder-gasbag lovinly sewn (slowly) by candle-light by your drugged hippy partneretta, filling (slowly) with chicken-shit-methane (and hydrogen sulphide while your back is turned) on your subsistence-farm in Wales,

(d) keep the hell out of discussions about how the world’s poor are going to better themselves?

Did Christianity sort of “let them in”? Is it our fault? Where did we go wrong? In the midst of all this plenitude of scientific, technological and liberal philosphical richness, how did the bastards get a foothold?

If what we say about them is true, can’t they just square up and duel with us on-line, just as any self-respecting ordinary petty-criminals, thugs and murderers would do so to our faces?

Or do they NEED the “law”, as their case is vulnerable to their own dangerous isolation from reality and their pan-global lack of support?

One of the unseen benefits of the internet is that truth cannot be quickly suppressed. this surely is an advantage – our enemies are for ever going on about “truth” – let them eat it.

New LA Publication: Academic Freedom

Should Universities Employ Bigots?  The Case of Nicholas Kollerstrom
Dr Philip Bounds

Educational Notes, No. 39

ISSN 0953-7775                  ISBN: 9781856376167

An occasional publication of the Libertarian Alliance,
Suite 35, 2 Lansdowne Row, Mayfair, London W1J 6HL.

© 2008: Libertarian Alliance; Dr Philip Bounds.

Philip Bounds holds a PhD in Politics from the University of Wales.  He is the author of Orwell and Marxism (2008),
British Communism and Literary Theory (2008) and Cultural Studies (1999). 
His essays, articles and reviews have appeared in a wide range of journals and newspapers.

The views expressed in this publication are those of its author, and
not necessarily those of the Libertarian Alliance, its Committee,
Advisory Council or subscribers.



Nicholas Kollerstrom and UCL

The universities of the free world have often employed some pretty unsavoury people.  Even the most reputable academic departments occasionally play host to Holocaust deniers, apologists for Joseph Stalin or semi-fascist theoreticians who believe that Africans are genetically inferior to Europeans.  The issue of how these intellectual mavericks should be treated excites a great deal of controversy.  Should universities dismiss them from their posts as part of a righteous war against offensive beliefs, or should they be allowed to remain in situ in the name of free speech?  Mild-mannered dons have been known to come to blows when questions like this are floated in the common room.

A recent case in a British university throws all the relevant issues into vivid relief.  In April 2008 a sixty-one-year-old astronomer named Nicholas Kollerstrom was dismissed from an unpaid research fellowship in the Department of Science and Technology Studies at University College London (UCL).  His offence was to have published an online article claiming that the Holocaust never took place.1  In a brief and pompous announcement on its website, UCL said that it had terminated Dr Kollerstrom’s employment because his views are “diametrically opposed to [our] aims, objectives and ethos…such that we wish to have absolutely no association with them or their originator.”2  This was disapproval with a capital “D”.

UCL’s desire to be rid of Dr Kollerstrom is certainly understandable.  His article on the Holocaust is an execrable piece of drivel, repeating most of the hoary old clich�s which Holocaust deniers have persistently passed off as evidence of independent thought.  Moreover, Dr Kollerstrom’s intellectual lapses aren’t simply confined to fantasising about Hitler’s innocence.  The man is a sort of walking compendium of what Damian Thompson scornfully calls “counterknowledge”.3  Quite apart from publishing credulous texts on astrology and crop circles (a relatively minor crime), he also believes that the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and 7/7 were “inside jobs”.  Defending him is not an easy task.  Yet the fact remains that UCL’s decision to fire him is deeply unjust, not simply because it shows scant regard for the idea of personal liberty (though it certainly does that) but also because it has damaging implications for academic culture as a whole.  Let me count the ways.4

Universities and Free Speech

Many of the people who support UCL’s decision invoke a purely negative conception of individual liberty.  They argue that Dr Kollerstrom’s dismissal does not involve a violation of his right to free expression, since all societies necessarily impose what might be called contextual limitations on freedom of speech.  No individual has the right to say exactly what he likes in whatever circumstances he likes, or so the argument goes.  Free societies should avoid imposing unreasonable restrictions on the expression of opinion, but there is no obligation on any institution or organisation to provide an outlet for opinions with which it disagrees.  As long as the individual has a legal right to speak his mind, he cannot expect anyone else to provide him with a megaphone. 

Dr Kollerstrom’s critics tend to link this point about the contextual limits on free speech to a concern about his academic competence.  Their argument is that UCL’s overriding obligation is to maintain high academic standards.  Since Dr Kollerstrom’s article on the Holocaust was clearly the product of academic fraud, deliberately ignoring the vast amount of well-documented evidence that might have disproved its thesis, it follows that UCL could only protect its reputation by immediately dissociating itself from its author.  The case for the prosecution was put with characteristic force by the writer Oliver Kamm, who argued on his blog that:

The issue is not one of personal liberty or academic freedom.  It’s about the purpose of the academy.  Holocaust denial is a demonstrably false claim about history.  It can be promoted consistently only by ignoring or doctoring the evidence.  Indeed, the two most prominent Holocaust deniers in the West, my reader David Irving and Robert Faurisson, have been found in courts of law (in the UK and France, respectively) to have engaged in fakery.  By taking the stand that it has, UCL has properly insisted that its academics adhere not to a particular view but to a method, that of critical inquiry.5

Arguments like these are used whenever a university plays host to a controversial scholar or speaker (and sometimes even to a controversial student),6 so it is important to be clear where their weakness lies.  The big problem with Dr Kollerstrom’s critics is that they state their case in far too inflexible a form.  It is perfectly true that the majority of institutions should be free of any obligation to publicise beliefs they dislike.  It would clearly be absurd to expect the Libertarian Alliance to publish articles by card-carrying fascists or the BNP to open its press to spokesmen for the Muslim Council of Britain.  Yet the emphasis on the right to exclude opinions should not be taken too far.  Most free societies have recognised that certain institutions, notably schools, universities and other places of learning, have a duty to conduct themselves along more pluralistic lines.  The justification for this is a straightforwardly democratic one.  Some people have an easier time getting their opinions heard than others.  The columns of our leading newspapers are generally more accessible to the savants of the centre-right than to writers of the radical right or the left.  The Conservative, Labour and Liberal parties can afford to produce as many party political broadcasts as they wish (subject to some fairly relaxed statutory limitations), whereas the Communist, Green and Libertarian parties enjoy no such privilege.  If the right to free speech is to be made meaningful, it is therefore necessary (or at least desirable) for universities and related institutions to provide an outlet for as wide a range of opinions as possible.  The community of scholars should never be mistaken for a confraternity of political soulmates.

If one accepts that universities should be as ideologically diverse as possible, it follows that their more controversial (or bigoted) employees should be treated with a certain tenderness.  Administrators should proceed on the assumption that scholars have the right to say whatever they like, and that nothing short of a significant violation of professional standards should merit disciplinary action.  This is not to say that no one should ever be sacked, only that universities should err at all times on the side of free speech.  The fact that they no longer do so (or do so only intermittently) raises an awkward question about their legal status: Should universities be compelled to promote free speech?  As unthinkable as it might seem to certain libertarians, there are times when the law can enhance the quality of public discourse rather than undermine it.  The statutory obligation on British broadcasters to cover politics impartially has generally worked well, and many people now believe that a legal commitment to “pluralism” should be introduced to supplement it.7  A clause in the next Education Act to protect the rights of academic dissenters could arguably do a lot of good.

The Issue of Fraudulence

It goes without saying that no amount of enlightened chat about pluralism should protect the exponent of academic fraud.  If an academic wilfully distorts or invents evidence in order to support his case, there can, in principle, be no realistic objection to his being fired, demoted or in some other way severely reprimanded.  However, the issue is rarely as simple as it seems.  Identifying fraud can sometimes be difficult.  In the case of Dr Kollerstrom, whose article on the Holocaust undeniably reeks of shoddy scholarship, it cannot be said often enough that his work on non-scientific themes had nothing to do with his employment at UCL.  His research fellowship was awarded for his work in the history of astronomy, an area in which his scholarly output is apparently unimpeachable.  Anything he wrote on the Holocaust, crop circles or 9/11 was produced in his own time.  What this means, as Brendan O’Neill pointed out in a fine piece on the Index on Censorship website, is that Dr Kollerstrom has effectively been sacked for expressing his “private beliefs and habits”.8  To support UCL’s decision is implicitly to back the idea that employers have a right to supervise their workers’ private lives.9

More generally, the hunt for academic fraudulence often gives rise to difficult and sometimes insuperable problems of definition.  Those who call for people like Dr Kollerstrom to be sacked seem to regard the scholarly “cheat” as a sort of out-and-out rogue, persistently and deliberately distorting the truth for political ends.  There is no doubt that unmitigated frauds exist (and that many of them have been drawn to Holocaust denial), but in truth they are rarely to be found in universities.  The great majority of university teachers have demonstrated at least a basic command of academic research methods.  The factual basis of what they write is likely to be reasonably sound, even when their interpretation of data arouses controversy.  Scholars who offend against the academic proprieties usually only do so in comparatively minor ways, so that their writings are compromised at the level of the individual sentence or paragraph but rarely in toto.  Moreover, their scholarly lapses are often the product not of dishonesty but of over-enthusiasm, naivet� or excessive faith in personal intuition.  When a university accuses a man of fraudulence, it often ignores the fact that the bulk of his scholarship is sound and that his sins were unintentional.  It is not clear that a robust academic culture can exist on this basis.

The War on Pluralism

There is one other reason why the sacking of Dr Kollerstrom was so regrettable.  It has gone a long way towards reinforcing some of the most destructive academic trends of recent times.  As we saw earlier, Western universities have done much in the modern age to foster the idea of intellectual tolerance.  Recognising that ideological consensuses are always impermanent, they have seen it as their role to encourage open debate and to “keep large areas of past culture, if not alive, at least available.”10  However, the commitment to pluralism has come under enormous strain over the last thirty or forty years.  Universities throughout the Western world have become hotbeds of political controversy, playing host to scholars of both the left and the right whose commitment to free speech has sometimes been negligible.  Many observers trace the origins of the problem to the advent of the so-called soixante huitards, who entered the academy after the stirring events of the 1960s and openly pursued a “long march through the institutions” in the name of Marxism, feminism and other radical ideologies.  Dismissing the established universities as little more than “ideological apparatuses of the capitalist state”,11 they sought to transform their respective disciplines into instruments of political agitation.  This eventually provoked a violent backlash from scholars of the right, who have fought a vigorous rearguard action in defence of such things as “tradition”, “disinterested aesthetic values” and “hierarchy”.  The battle between the two groups has rarely been pretty. 

The problem has never been one of scholarship.  Both the soixante-huitard left and the traditionalist right have produced work of the highest quality.  The real difficulty is the quasi-totalitarian spirit in which some (though by no means all) leading academics have conducted themselves.  Too many people, some of them extremely influential, now take the view that scholars from the opposite end of the political spectrum should either be drummed out of the profession or never employed in the first place.  To this end they leave promising candidates off shortlists on purely political grounds, start whispering campaigns against colleagues and collaborate with campus activists to have “unacceptable” speakers banned.  Significantly enough, one of their deadliest weapons is the accusation of academic fraud.  For men like Henry A. Turner and Norman Finkelstein, the former a member of the sullen right and the latter an ornament of the apoplectic left, it is no longer enough to express measured disagreement with work one finds objectionable.12  Instead its author must be dismissed as a charlatan and loudly upbraided for plagiarism, tendentiousness and wilful distortion of sources.  Very fine scholars have had their careers destroyed or held in check as a consequence.

When UCL took the decision to dismiss Dr Kollerstrom, it showed that the most illiberal attitudes had finally penetrated to the highest reaches of the academy.  The college authorities were not responding to a mass campaign but to an e-mail from a member of the public.  Faced with a coarse and bovine opinion which cut against the grain, their immediate response was to demonise the rather ineffectual fantasist who had tried to disseminate it.  In taking this action they conferred an air of official legitimacy on all the sordid little techniques, most of them perfected over forty years, by which individual scholars have sought to exclude their opponents from academic life.  Once upon a time the most politically conscious students might have marched in Dr Kollerstrom’s defence.  This time around their silence has been deafening.  Having spent so much time in a system in which curiosity is invariably trumped by conformity, they seem to have accepted the view that certain opinions are simply too horrible to be aired in civilised company.  This is a measure of just how effective the war on pluralism has been.  The spectacle of students, teachers and administrators uniting in opposition to free speech is a travesty of everything a university should stand for.  It will take a long time before matters can be put right.


(1) See Nicholas Kollerstrom, “The Auschwitz �Gas Chamber’ Illusion”, Website of The Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust, 2008, http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrillusion.html

(2) Website of University College London, http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0804/08042202, April 22 2008.

(3) See Damian Thompson, Counterknowledge (London: Atlantic Books, 2008).

(4) Lest it be thought that I have a hidden agenda, I had better say the following: The author of this article is a libertarian socialist.  He has no doubt that the Holocaust occurred and he regards it as one of history’s gravest crimes.  He abhors fascism in all its forms and is reasonably sympathetic to the state of Israel.

(5) Oliver Kamm, “Points from the Blogs”, Oliver Kamm (website), May 4 2008, http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/page/4/

(6) Readers of a certain age will remember the deeply illiberal campaign in the 1980s to prevent Patrick Harrington, a member of the National Front, from studying at North London Polytechnic.

(7) See, for instance, James Curran and Jean Seaton, Power without Responsibility: The Press and Broadcasting in Britain, fifth edition (London: Routledge, 1997), p. 362.

(8) Brendan O’Neill, Contribution to “The Kollerstrom Question”, Index on Censorship (website), 2008, http://www.indexoncensorship.org/?p=359

(9) A more enlightened example has been set by Northwestern University in the USA, where the Holocaust denier Arthur Butz has been employed for more than thirty years.  Recognising that Professor Butz’s expertise in electrical engineering (the subject he is employed to teach) is sound, Northwestern granted him tenure and turned a blind eye to such poisonous extracurricular outpourings as The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry (1976).  If this sort of arrangement can exist in the USA, where sensitivity to anti-Semitism runs understandably high, it can surely be emulated in Britain.

(10) Raymond Williams, The Long Revolution (Harmondsworth: Penguin, 1984 [1961]), p. 68.

(11) The phrase is that of the great Marxist philosopher Louis Althusser.  See Althusser, “Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses” in Lenin and Philosophy and Other Essays (London: Monthly Review Press, 1971).

(12) For Henry A. Turner’s outrageous attempt to destroy the career of the gifted Marxist historian David Abraham, see Jon Wiener, “Footnotes to History: the David Abraham Case” in Professors, Politics and Pop (London: Verso, 1991).  For Norman Finkelstein’s groundless attempt to level charges of plagiarism against the Harvard academic Alan Dershowitz, see Alan Dershowitz, The Case for Peace: How the Arab-Israeli Conflict can be Resolved (New York: Wiley, 2006).


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THE EU WANTS TO REGULATE BLOGGERS … of all the people in the world whom this could have come from, ESTONIAN politicials ought bloody well to know bloody better…

I would have thought that there could not be a single Estonian person in the world, let alone an Estonian Bureaucrat, who could have the brass-neck or immortal rind or crust, to even think what this bastard has suggested about free speech, let alone say it out loud.

I wonder if Marianne Mikko can ever show his face again in Tallinn, and even under an assumed name, and with a false beard?

If he does, then I hope his Estonian compatriots beat the bloody (literally0 crap out of his intestines, before lynching him, and then kicking his head in for good measure.

David Davis will of course, being a student of history, be as upset as we are about the very fact that this post had to occur at all.

David Davis

TODAY is Magna Carta Day, how appropriate for the following:


Date: 15/06/2008 14:52:26 GMT Daylight Time
From: peter@pwwatson.co.uk
Reply-to: eurorealist@yahoogroups.com
To: eurorealist@yahoogroups.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

No, they don’t like it up ‘em.
Your prediction is closer to the mark than you think.
According to the Infidel Bloggers Alliance – link – the EU wants to regulate bloggers.

Here is part of that article:

“…Blogs. Apparently MEPs, those people with all that cash, are worried about them. You see it is all a bit of a free for all. People can write blogs without applying for a licence or being approved by the proper authorities. Shocking isn’t it?

Euro-MPs want action: blogs with “malicious intentions or hidden agendas pose a danger”. Marianne Mikko, an Estonian centre-left MEP, is calling for something to be done in a report.
“Blogs are publicly available web pages, with personal views and links expressing the opinions and observations of a particular person, usually on a specific topic or theme and are usually updated regularly reflecting the personality of the author,” so says the Parliament’s website.
How terrible. Just imagine, anybody can think what they like or say what they like, and all by themselves too. People can (easily, what’s worse) publicly write what they think online. And, what is really worrying is that other people might read it…”

So, not only do they want to steal our democracies, our freedom of expression is now to be subject to their approval.
Thanks, Ireland, for holing the bastards below the water-line.

Posted by Cheeky Monkey on June 15, 2008 1:02 PM 


More on the Kafka-esque kangaroo-show-trial of Mark Steyn. But it’s good that most Canadians care about liberty.

I only rant on about Mark Steyn, and the predicament of free speech and thought in Canada, to annoy Fabian bastards in the West, and also some people who are my friends and who think Steyn is a madman. (They don’t have to read him.)

Oh and this is really droll, from Iowahawk. It’s sort of relevant, coz in the West, we like to satirize in a semi-cruel but humorous way, our enemies, which they just don’t understand. Hitler didn’t either. Not quite sure what went wrong with this gift of humour in the 70s and early 80s, as I can’t remember any really cutting fun-stuff about the fascist murderer Mao, or Ho Chi Mhinh, or Castro: or Brzhezhnev, who was dead anyway. (P’raps that’s why nobody skitted him.)

David Davis

Here’s some good stuff off Kathy Shaidle.

UPDATE #2 from the comments at Pajamas Media:

A group of rag-tag militiamen gathered on Lexington common facing a line of British regulars. The year was 1775. A British officer stepped forward and ordered the rabble to disperse. Someone yelled back, “get the hell off our land.” Somebody else pulled the trigger on his musket and ignited a revolution based on a belief in liberty. We don’t know their names, but these patriots were priveleged to stand on the fulcrum of history.

Today in





Canada a handful of patriots stand also on the fulcrum. Liberty is under assault yet again. As before the answer must be defiance. The face of tyranny arrives as a mild-mannered clerk. Orwell warned us this would be the case. Yet the stakes are the same as they were at Lexington. Mark Steyn, Kathy Shaidle and a handful of others have the privlege of standing athwart the bridge facing tyranny.







Canada a handful of patriots stand also on the fulcrum. Liberty is under assault yet again. As before the answer must be defiance. The face of tyranny arrives as a mild-mannered clerk. Orwell warned us this would be the case. Yet the stakes are the same as they were at Lexington. Mark Steyn, Kathy Shaidle and a handful of others have the privlege of standing athwart the bridge facing tyranny.

So fight, damn you! Think not of exile. There is nothing so dear as liberty. I shall contribute with a hundred U.S. dollars. But you are the ones who must take the fight to the enemy. And you must be victorious. History warns us that acommodation to tyranny always leads to more bloodshed in the end. Stand tall and proud. And fight!























(I don’t know why only that bit went red, I wanted the whole lot to be as it’s a direct quote. But it won’t go red now, and the whole textblock just jumps about madly so I can’t be arsed with it. I really don’t understand this code stuff.)

More about Mark Steyn today.

David Davis

Go here. This is the National Post on the continuing supression of any pro-Western comment in Canada, which is being conducted, sadly, by supposed Canadians. What an absloute bummer that is, eh? You’d think that Canada has been invaded and occupied by a FOREIGN POWER, form the way these gestapo sondergerichte are behaving.

I’m really not sure what the Libertarian Alliance can do about this, except report it from time to time. Free speech and freedom of publication in Canada will be degraded a little more than it has been already. 

I guess that if people like us were what Stalin called “serious”, we would all buy return tickets on Amerian Airlines, then we would NOT cause the planes to fly into the CHRC building, we would shoot the “complainants” , we would then “claim responsibility”, and we would fly home in triumph. But I guess this will not be.

But I guess we are not “serious”. We just think freedom is important, and what is it worth without life? If you are dead, the concept of individual freedom is imaginary.

MARK STEYN and the Canadian “Human Rights” GESTAPO-Sondergerichte … this is very funny and apposite from NRO …

ha ha ha ha ha

David Davis

I don’t know a lot about Nazi Canadian Sondergerichte, but they seem to be wanting to deingrate and expunge Western Civilisation, which is the basis of Libertarianism.

They also want to get at Mark Steyn, who is funny, writes well, amuses people, is right, and is a conservative.

So I’ve decided that I’m against them.

Here it is if the link does not work:-

There’s a New Sharif in Town   [Mark Steyn]

Jonah, re: Omar Sharif saying that, when he has a problem with some guy, he finds it far easier to go to the neighborhood sheikh to sort it out than to have to mess around with all that western legal mumbo-jumbo. He’ll be happy to know they’ve introduced a similar system in British Columbia: The sheikhs sit on a “human rights” tribunal and lay down the smack without any time-wasting rubbish about rules of evidence, presumption of innocence, etc.

Andrew Coyne is live-blogging the first day of the Steyn/Maclean’s show trial from the Robson Square courthouse in Vancouver, and from the Omar Sharif perspective it seems to be going swimmingly. The Canadian Islamic Congress lawyer says that freedom of speech is a “red herring”. If it were, it would be on the endangered species list. And the New York Times guy says he “can’t believe what he’s witnessing”.

With their usual low cunning, the “human rights” sheikhs chose a courtroom that only seats 40 people so a big crowd (including CBC reporters) were wedged up peering through the glass in the door until the head sheikh (a judge best known for fining the Knights of Columbus for declining to rent their hall for a lesbian wedding) said the pressed faces of the people were distracting her and shooed them away. Typical. A third-rate bureaucracy that tells everyone from McDonald’s to Maclean’s magazine how to run their affairs can’t even organize a show trial with minimal competence.

Maybe the folks who can’t get in should file a “human rights” complaint against the “human rights” tribunal for denying them the human right to attend a human rights trial. Say what you like about Saddam’s justice system, but at least I’d be dead by now and out of my misery.

06/02 03:13 PM

Canada Free Speech Threat Human Rights Commissions Mark Steyn Ezra Levant McLeans Magazine fun explanation of the facts

David Davis

I can’t speak for the Libertarian Alliance’s members as a whole (and I would never presume to do so!) but we the Officers are generally persuaded that “Militant Islam” – or indeed even just plain vanilla unleaded Islam, as practised more or less harmlessly by most Moslems – is not the severe existential threat to Western Civilisation that our temporal “masters” in the, er, West thump the table about. We think they (our , er, “masters”….hurrrumph…make a suitable skeptical face here) do this in order to impose ever-more-draconian restrictions on our freedom and (worse) our thoughts and langauge in the course of, er, ordinary discourse.

Activities of this kind, by “masters”, constitute a part of the process of de-reasoning called “Political Correctness“.

The real threat to This Civilisation is really the evil scheming toads who have been through Western Universities after the Gramsco-Eagletonian march through them by the socialist left. Most of them now have political power in the West, for that was (and IS) for them the whole point of their existence. There are indeed many, shocking though it may seem to real people in real countries, who have never had what you and I would call a “job”: they have gone seamlessly into the state bureaucracy after graduating, and have ended up as bureaucrats or stuff like MPs or “representatives”. These people have been corrupted into the human equivalent of Orcs (who as Tolkien students know were all made by Morgoth and his servants, in the Image of Elves) and as God gave Man the gift of Free Will, then it’s quite apparent that these people have therefore unquestionably chosen to do Evil freely, instead of to do Good.

However, there are even some evil toads labouring under Islam. Probably not as many as we have on our side, but irritating all the same.

This was on a hat-tip from Girl on the Right (see blogroll) and explains in a good Western way what is going on in Canada right now. Humour and ridicule directed towards your enemy is the cardinal weapon of Western liberal spin and propaganda (oh yes, we must have some too – it’s only fair) against unfathomable evil, and should be used more and more.

MARK STEYN, my favourite columnist to the World, is under attack, by the CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION. What does one suppose a “HRC” might be? A form of fertility treatment, or a death-weapon against Western liberalism?

David Davis 

I am fortunate to find a link to http://steynian.wordpress.com/ thoughtfully provided on a post by some sad wet traitorous Canadian students (can’t be real adults, not if supporting this sort of persecution) at a thing called “The Canadian Law Blog” (but thinking of Arras and Vimy Ridge, I don’t think so really, no – sorry boys) http://lawiscool.com/2007/12/21/steyn-responds-to-law-is-cool/

Steyn is being hauled up, along with his publisher McLeans.ca , before a SONDERGERICHT, for saying true things about the global rise of Islam and the fall of the West through not having enough babies. (Personally, I blame the Feminazis, for making the previously easy and pleasant task of shagging a willing and fanciable woman too onerous – in many cases even one whom you know well.) I didn’t know we had introduced these leftist infantile precapitalist Nazi bits of speech-banning/pricing-machinery into the Anglosphere.

Apparently, everybody was emigrating to Canada a little while ago. Better not do so now I think; you might do better in Chindia. I’ve got to cook dinner, so you can follow the links and find out what this is all about.

Oxford Union Debate disrupted by “People’s Censors”. So what’s new?

David Davis

This sort of thing began to go on in my day. Something happened to the fascist left in the 60s; some say that sex and long hair was invented and that they never looked back,  –  others just say that the buggers were let out of their foul cages without being made to bath first, and that we subsequently lost their collars and leads. Here’s the Daily Telegrapph on last night’s shindig – I guess it was a great hoot and a night out for the hired rage-boys;


Perhaps after 20 years by the mid-60s, the rage-boys had forgotten who their role-models were in the Reich and the USSR, and they thought themselves to be normal humans.

But to get to David Irving and Nick Griffin, two characters who seem to attract more than their fair share of spoiled tomatoes and eggs.

David Irving wants to say certain erroneous things about the Nazi holocaust in Europe. Why, I do not know, it seems an odd thing to want to devote your life to doing. Unlike the situation we have with the Global-Warm-mongering-promoters, the Holocaust’s “History is Settled”. There is quite enough evidence for the mass slaughter in general and gas-chambers in particular, including such prosaic items as engineering-design briefs and commercial recipts for the building-costs, Zyklon-B and other materials from the firms concerned; not to mention millions of personal accounts which can’t all be simultaneous fabrications.  In a remotely free society Irving ought to be allowed to say anything he wants; indeed he has already served time in jail for saying the same things in an unfree one, the continental EU. It is probable that he says what he says and writes what he does on account of some personality problems, that make him want to seek attention. Whatever, he is probably a harmless nutter. Ranting and jumping about with placards, and disrupting debates, could make more people give his views more credence than they deserve. The best policy imho would be to ignore the fellow.

Nick Griffin is a Cambridge-educated lawyer. He is the leader of what seems to be a rather left-of-centre, corporatist party, which appeals to the electorally neglected Urban Old White Working Class, on account of its articulating their direct concerns and their externally-repressed sense of lost nationhood. His party has won and regularly now wins the odd local council seat in elections, much to the disgust of the various Nazis in power in Westminster and in the Boroughs, many of which are quite pocket-like and also rotten, specially in the inner-urban areas where he has most support. These facts are clearly what puts him Beyond The Pale for the mediarati and the Enemy Class; his views are not fashionable to hold nor politically correct. There is no evidence that a BNP government would address either the concerns of its franchise-base, or get out of interfering in the economy and civilisation any more effectively than (Ageing) Labour, the “too-New” Tories or the sLip-Dems. Griffin has next to no chance of winning any seats at Westminster in any election soon; all he can hope to do is irritate the powers-that-be by exposing their dangerous lack of support and isolation from reality. Unpalatable as his views are to the UK political establishment, there is no evidence that gagging him, and periodically putting him on trial for saying stuff, reduces his popular support.

Libertarians believe that free speech should mean just that. Not the current setup where an increasing range of views is forbidden in public, and is increasingly criticized or restricted on private premises such as the Oxford Union. Nutters and unpopular prats of all sorts should be allowed to say and write what they please – and that includes Moslem “clerics” who advocate anti-civilisational-violence and “jihad” – whatever that stuff might be. We also should be free to call them whatever names please us – such as fascist imperialists, terrorists, pretentious twats, and the like, and denounce them to the end of our strength and beyond. The laws of Libel and Slander are quite highly-developed, and perfectly capable of coping with any situation that can be imagined. The natural rights of free people in a free nation should not be abated  – either by laws which serve only to inconvenience and bind, or by rentable self-appointed mobs-for-hire of Nazi “demonstrators”.

I hope they dodn’t mess up the Union buildings too much. Though from experience there will be some clearing up of shit and stuff to do today.

POST UPDATE: 19.21 GMT. TWO searches hit us, calling up “coal mining libertarian”, this afternoon. You can’t say we aren’t polymathic in our tastes!

SEAN GABB in the media again – on the BBC re Free Speech

Here is Sean Gabb doing his stuff for everyone, again!


Dr Sean Gabb roasts Chris Bryant MP (Lab.) over the upcoming Oxford Union debate-shindig-protest-event featuring the debagging of David Irving and Nick Griffin.

David Davis 

You can listen to the Sound-Wireless spiel here:


The thing starts well, seemingly. Mr Bryant appears initially to favour total free speech absolutely.

Then……….. hmmmmmmm ……… strangely, he tries to pretend that the Oxford Union is somehow different from other places where these two supposed ne’er-do-wells in the headline could speak about their allegedly “extremist” views.  They should “not be given a platform”, and Luke Tryl the President is seemingly in Bryant’s eyes merely executing a sort of PR stunt.

I have sat in the place in my youth, and even spoken fleetingly in debates. So I can’t personally see the moral-philosophic difference between the Oxford Union, Speaker’s Corner, and the public bar of the Blue Anchor round the corner from here.

Sean Gabb is at his corrosively logical best here. Strangely, even the female radio-presenter seems to lean slightly to his point of view, a phenomenon that Gabb does not often experience in his broadcasting career. Bryant ends up being called a fascist, which is quite amusing in a kind of way, bearing in mind he voted for ID cards to be ultimately compulsory for British People; a curiously and wickedly illiberal idea, redolent of the Third Reich and other fascist states such as the USSR and many in Europe today.