EU Confirms Westminster Is A Waste Of Time And Money


by Dick Puddlecote
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EU Confirms Westminster Is A Waste Of Time And Money How much do you reckon the Palace of Westminster is worth? And what about Portcullis House?

In fact, just about every building and piece of land central government stands upon would make a pretty penny in reducing the deficit if sold off, eh? The Department of Health’s Richmond House is on prime South London real estate within easy walking distance of Waterloo station and just an inexpensive cab fare to the West End. 30 luxury flats there would fetch a million each, I reckon.

Well, why not cash in? The country is in trouble, as we are constantly told, and it’s not like government is doing anything useful for us any longer.

With regard to Richmond House, for example, this is where a very expensive and lengthy consultation on plain packaging of tobacco has been handled. There’s a guy there called Andrew Black who has been directing millions of pounds of our taxes towards it. One of the central questions in the consultation was this one.

1. Which option do you favour?

â Do nothing about tobacco packaging (i.e., maintain the status quo for tobacco packaging);
â Require standardised packaging of tobacco products; or
â A different option for tobacco packaging to improve public health.

I, of course, amongst many others plumped for the first. Do nothing.

However, the EU announced yesterday that the above question was a waste of all that taxpayer loot (empahses theirs).

â Labelling and Packaging: All cigarette and Roll Your Own packages must contain a combined picture and text health warning covering 75% of the front and the back of the package and must carry no promotional elements. The current information on tar, nicotine and carbon monoxide, which is perceived as misleading, is replaced by an information message on the side of the pack that tobacco smoke contains more than 70 substances causing cancer. Member States remain free to introduce plain packaging in duly justified cases.

May as well pension off Black, make his tobacco control division redundant and save the wage bill. What’s the point? If the EU are calling the shots and over-riding sovereign democracy, what’s the point of them?

Now then, onto the MHRA, where are they housed? Wow! Buckingham Palace Road, now there’s a prime bit of land if ever there was one. Forget closing libraries, sack the staff and sell that off for tens of millions too.

They held a consultation last year on e-cigs which concluded [pdf]:

The majority of importers and users of unlicensed electronic cigarettes were opposed to regulation by the MHRA, the latter fearing that this would mean an immediate ban on products currently available and that this could lead them back into smoking tobacco. Public health focussed organisations too raised concerns that an immediate move to medicines regulation would lead to potentially useful products being taken off the market and/or innovation being stifled.

“Who cares?”, said the EU yesterday.

Nicotine Containing Products (e.g. electronic cigarettes) below a certain nicotine threshold are allowed on the market, but must feature health warnings; above this threshold such products are only allowed if authorised as medicinal products, like nicotine replacement therapies.

Exactly the opposite of the MHRA’s consultation conclusions, with the threshold being so low as to make e-cigs effectively useless [pdf
page 9]
.

The proposal stipulates that NCP that either have a nicotine level exceeding 2 mg, a nicotine concentration exceeding 4 mg per ml or whose intended use results in a mean maximum peak plasma concentration exceeding 4 ng per ml may be placed on the market only if they have been authorised as medicinal products on the basis of their quality, safety and efficacy, and with a positive risk/benefit balance. NCP with nicotine levels below this threshold can be sold as consumer products provided they feature an adapted health warning.

All that effort by MHRA was wasted; all the money spent in producing it was thrown down a gold-plated SW1 drain; every one of the multitude of responses was a waste of the public’s time; and all of the concerns of public health groups have been ignored.

Brussels just puffed out its chest and roared “who’s the Daddy!”.

May as well scrap the system of business promoting grants too.

I have learned that British American Tobacco (BAT) will announce today the acquisition of CN Creative, a Manchester-based company which specialises in the development and production of non-combustible cigarettes.

CN is one of a small number of companies to have benefited from the Government’s £200m Future Technologies Fund, which was set up by the last Labour administration to give British companies a stronger foothold in life sciences.

What taxpayer funds the UK government giveth, the EU taketh away. It would seem that the task of identifying a UK politician with real power is as futile as trying to find a supermarket curry which is actually spicy.

Look. If we’re serious about making savings to reduce the deficit, let’s go for the big fish instead of snipping away around the edges. Westminster is completely irrelevant, as the EU proved with just one document, and might as well save its time and money by letting Brussels ride roughshod over anything they waste our cash on. Sell it all off and build a luxury hotel and casino instead, at least that way the staff within it will be productive rather than draining our pockets with their daft schemes.

Of course, there is always the option of keeping the empires in Whitehall and Westminster but – if so – it would require ceasing paying £40m per bastard day to the EU. Paying that and impotent regulators in the UK is patently absurd on yesterday’s evidence.Hu-5UbZQCF4

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51 responses to “EU Confirms Westminster Is A Waste Of Time And Money

  1. The one good thing I thought would come of the absurd “Euro” currency project would be the closing down of the national Central Banks (the Bank of France and so on). The project would be a total mess – but at least a lot of national Central Bank employees would be out of a job.

    But I was wrong – the Central Banks are still sitting there, inspite of the currencies they were in charge of being gone (replaced by the Euro). The silver lining to the dark cloud proved to be just a fond hope.

    And so it is with British government deparments.

    With “health and safety” matters (such as bashing Tolkien’s pipe weed) being largely driven by E.U. policy one might expect there to be less national bureaucrats – but, no, there are MORE of them (in nicer offices and so on).

    No wonder governments are in favour of the E.U. “project” – they may lose their actual power, but who wants the “burden of free choice” anyway?

    It is their PERKS they value (the income, the pension, the title, the offices……) and they do not lose them.

    Indeed they get nicer office buidlings – and they get invited to big conferences all over Europe and…….

    From the point of view of officials and establishment politicians what is there not to like in all this?

  2. Yes you’re right again paul, have use seen the lastest one, using Xmas
    rush to sneak in further pay rises and higher pensions at the poor old
    rate payers expense, the F.O.I. disclosures this week disclosed how the
    pension pots now have gone up to over 1 million for the whitehall mandarins,
    with increases for the fire service on the way in the new year.

  3. P.S. Paul have a happy New year! Inrestingly paul, some of thier retirement
    pensions have leaped to an extra £110,000 under the tories, and yes they
    promised cuts, robbing the poor to make the rich even richer.

  4. The increase in the number of people in government employ pay and perks under Mr Osborne can not be rationally defended (and Mr Osborne’s own department is actually the worst offender in this regard), but it is a continuation of Mr Blair’s post 1997 policy – the idea of Mr Blair (and Mr Brown) was that if you paid top government managers as-if they were private businessmen then government departments (agencies and so on) would become as well run as the best private busines enterprises.

    The absurdity of this view makes even the silly “Market Socialist” ideas of the Austro-Marxists in the 1920s look sane (by the way – the “internal markets” beloved by some British Conservatives are also a 1920s Autro-Marixst idea, Mises mocked them as “playing trains in your atic – whilst thinking you are actually running a real railway company”).

    As for “robbing the poor” – NHS (and so on) spending continues to go UP (off to bankruptcy we go).

    And the “tax cuts for the rich” that Mr Osbourne is denounced for, turn out to be (when one looks at the fine print) tax INCREASES for the rich.

    We are in a paradoxially position.

    The government is following a leftist policy.

    Higher taxes, more (not less) government spending, and endless regulations (total submission to the European Union).

    Yet the LANGUAGE the government uses is leading people to believe that it is following a free market policy – thus discrediting this position.

    A Happy New Year to you.

  5. The main problem with the current government and the one before, speaks this! They hunt with the hounds and run with the fox at the same time! I met an old aquaintence of mine today, he’s a gem on economics although his company is on the verge of going bust, we had an interesting chat, about the big buy outs by european compaines, like the sell off of “Boots” to Swiss owernership, like many compaines in the U.K. they are now owned and registered aborad, with their new found euro partners, of course he’d done his reasearch on these new compaines and off shore registrations, it appears in the main it works like this, when your company was a U.K. company the tax bill would equate to 90 million, now under the tories they pay just 9 million, of course in the last weeks disclosures, ” No Names Mentioned,” claimed, another company had evaded 400 million by similar methods, of course at the moment this appears to be legalised tax evasion, but on the face of it can any ecomony realistically take such negitive tax hits, I’m sure that with these amounts of money being deprived from the treasury we will only see an even bigger deficit, and with more state workers being paid twice as much as what they are worth, 2013 might indeed be a very unlucky year for many!

  6. I have no problem with private individuals or companies owning enterpries in Britian – however, a lot of modern takeovers are actually by overseas GOVERNMENTS operating via “companies” that are either government owned or backed by government banks (of course the whole “non government” banking system is a massive abuse also – but “do not get me started” on that). This I do have a problem with.

    As for the tax code – its absurd complexity invites abuse.

    However, the last Chancellor who made the tax code less complex was Nigel Lawson (unfairly treated by history because of his lack of understanding of monetary economics – which his rivals did not understand either) and he was rather a long time ago.

  7. I see you have an in depth understanding of just how this works and what is actualy goning on in europe, as I have said before the people at westminister
    simply shouldn’t be there, take the treasury secretary no understanding
    whatsover. Rediculously suggesting soup kitchens will save the day. It’s
    time for real serious research into what exactly the agenda of europe is,
    to destroy england perhaps, those in government are tempted by the
    high salaries of the euro-pen-pusher, this is why there is little resistance
    to whats going on with them, they want to get on that “Gravy Train”.

  8. Mnd you lawson did go to ireland and advise on banking, look at the mess
    they are in now.

  9. I did say that Nigel Lawson knew nothing about monetary policy – but then his foes knew nothing about either (they were also in favour of shadowing the D. Mark by increasing the British money supply). However, he was the best Chancellor on FISCAL (tax and spend) policy in my life time.

    Not great praise (as we have not any Gladstone types in my lifetime), but some praise.

    As for Ireland……

    The antics of Anglo Irish Bank (and so on) are there are own affair – till the moment they ask the taxpayer to back them.

    This backing was NOT required by Irish law – it was a choice the Irish government made.

    Yes they were under pressure from the German government – but it was still a CHOICE. They would have been no German tanks on the streets on Dublin had the Irish government said “no”. Personally I suspect that all the good times at the races that the top people at Anglo Irish laid on for Irish politicians had more to do with the Irish government choice than German pressure anyway (that is not anti Irish slur – my own grandfather, James Power, loved horse racing and betting, but he did not accept “hospitality” from a commercial enterprise to do so).

    I have no hesitation in repeating what I said at the time.

    Anglo Irish Bank (and any other bank that says it can not survive without government backing) should go bankrupt – really bankrupt, CLOSE ITS DOORS.

    Those who trusted the bank should lose their investment (YES I understand that means great horror for these innocent people) – and managers, if any are found to have broken the law, should go to prison (if they have not broken the criminal law – they should still be sued INDIVIDUALLY for reckless negligence, with the money of other people, and taken down to their underwear).

    If the above opinions make me a “sick monster” (actually one of the milder things I was called at the time), then so be it.

    I am not a “corporation basher” – but I am not a fan of the Walter Bagehot (Economist magazine) tradition of CORPORATE WELFARE either.

  10. Yes I agree, we can never have a wealfare banking system, where the
    boy’s at the top of the tree help themselves to millions in bonuses at the
    tax payers expense, banking wealfare is a definate, No…No…!
    One thing I would not agree on is the civil actions against bankers, when we
    look at situation in detail it apears to be a case of criminal neglience, it
    would not be proper for any director to help hiimself to a million pounds
    worth of funds when he new for sure his company never had the assests
    in the first instant, This is a large proportion of the problem, As with
    government, giving themselves large pay rises now, worry where the money
    is comming from to pay for it later!

  11. Even if credit bubble banks (and other such) were run by saints the effects of credit bubble finance would be the same.

    One of the oldest fallacies of economics is to believe that borrowing can be greater than REAL SAVINGS, that interest rates can be lower than these REAL SAVERS would demand for their money.

    And the normal twist is to claim that credit-money expansion “is saving” or “is the same as savings”.

    I have had people in debate with me seriously state that “the money existed – but then the deflation destroyed it”.

    They do not see (they honestly do not see) that the money never really existed (the lending was based upon fantasy) and the “deflation” simply showed the truth.

    It would be easy if all these people were just criminals – but some of them are just doing what the schools and universities (and financial media and…..) teach.

    It is like a man on the roof of a high building – who sincerely (honestly) believes he can fly, simply by jumping off and flapping his unaided arms.

    No need for the SACRIFICE of real savings – one can lend without them. All will be well – look the equations say it will (garbage in – garbage out, the assumptions the equations are based upon are false).

    The problem is that we are all chained to such people – as they jump of the roof of a high building flapping their unaided arms.

  12. No bird men here, just look at the latest christmas spending figures, best on record thay say, not really, this is all unpaid credit, or people clearing their bank accounts being transfered to ESA. But lets just don our diving suites and take a trip in to the silt on the sea bed. look at the F.O.I. dosclosures the trade balance has gone really bad again,more job losses predicited for the new year.Although I am not fourtune teller, come April we will see a very different change in the sea of finance, man cannot live on credit alone! As for the Germans, one cannot help liking them, they are very hard working and ingenious people, some the cream of the worlds engineers. We must not think that the germans are all EU fanatics, they now full well the profits of their hard work and labour are being drained by the EU pen pushers, and so of the likes of Westminister, many Germans are tired of the EU and want out, but they tow the line of democracy, the EU will in no uncertain terms bring about it’s own destruction. just a matter of time, if they fial to change, look what happened in Greece, lawyers, judges, not paying taxes, the end result of such policies is easy to forecast as we now see, the loss of such hudge amounts of tax revenue can only result to this end, as in Spain the bucked housing markets have come to a crash, millions lost by investors, due to the creeping corruption in the unregulated money markets, the moto seems to suggest grab all you can and run, don’t look behind you, think only of yourself. When cash in hand amounts to 2,000 euro a week who cares. The hole has yet to filled, let the money men perform a miracle I say, let them do the flying! preferably minus the wings.

  13. I listened to the “Moneybox” programme on BBC Radio Four – I do not often listen to such shows.

    The guests agreed that the government policy of (basically) handing out free money (money created from nothing) to prop up spending (the housing market and so on) had destroyed savings – and that this was a terrible thing.

    And the guests agreed that government spending was much higher than the government said it would be.

    When establishment people start telliing the truth about monetary and fiscal policy (or even something vaguely like the truth) I must confess to being rather shocked.

    I wonder if it means things are about to fall off a cliff economically – and they wish to be able to say “well I warned that…..”

    By the way – they even noticed the stock market is a bubble (driven by desperate people looking for some return on their money), and that the corporate bond market is hopelessly distorted as well (for the same reason).

  14. Well I think we re about to fall off a cliff, many small retailers reporting this is the worst year on record. Big holes in the public service pensions,
    and more adolescent temper tantrims, We Want More Pay. In the reality
    of the situation giving weight to industrial output, public service pensions
    are bust, of course they argue they pay for them, but in reality if you
    equate thier earnings to pensions everyboby knows the sums don’t add
    up. take retirement at 50 or 55, two thirds final salary, they live to be
    90, we paid for it, No you paid just 11%, at 65 they also claim the STR on
    top, another 25 years of pension at the tax payers expense, this one appears to be a total freebee on the account sheet. And of course to
    boot this many use their lump sum payments in ISA’s to get, yes another
    tax free pension. of course on the other hand working in the private
    sector I lost my private pension simply for becomming ill, yet they keep
    all three under the rediculous state employee protection laws. Of course
    you might say is there any hope, not if you read the nationals three
    weeks ago, with senior tax inspectors crying to the press, we can’t do
    out job the speed limits are to slow, we can’t collect the taxes, we are spending to much time driving! And of course the other argument, we
    can’t get the staff, it’s all to complex to sort out, well I’m sure a child in
    infant school could work out 20% of 400,0000, yes we will soon be falling
    off that cliff indeed, do we pay them more money, if we do what do we end
    up with, 6+7= 95, I hope you get my point.

  15. To be fair. Those people who buy new shares or buy new corporate bonds are providing money to productive industry – without the middle man of the banks (and to those of us who do not like or trust banks this is not an entirely bad thing). However this is very high risk – after all if the company goes bust the person who has put their money into shares or corporarte bonds may lose everything (especially if the company does not have much in physical assets).

    At heart investing in shares or in corporate bonds is investing in industry – and, like you Karl Fenn, I just do not think that British industry is doing well. Therefore no matter how smooth talking the salesman (sorry the “financial adviser” – although commission is going soon), I do not see how “financial instruments” based (in the end) on the performance of British companes can really make the returns it is claimed they will (or anything like them).

    Even German manufacturing (for many years the ultimate “safe bet” in Europe) seems to be in decline – and I do not see European industry improving in 2013 (rather the reverse).

    Also (as with houses) if one is going to invest in a company (either in shares – or by lending it money, which is what “buying corporate bonds” reall is) one must UNDERSTAND THAT COMPANY.

    Direct understanding – not trust media reports.

    And I see no evidence that the buyers of shares and corporate bonds are actually “getting their hands dirty” by phyicially examining the company they are trusting their money to.

    Anymore than the people who bought “mortgage backed securities” had any real idea about such “minor” things as “who has borrowed money to buy houses” and “can they pay it back?”

    People who asked these questions were called “primitives” who “did not understand modern finance”.

    And people ask the question “are these industrial companies really going to do well in 2013″ are being called “primitives” (and so on) now.

    My own view is that industry (in most major Western countries) is going to do badly in 2013 and worse (not better) in 2014.

    And if industry does badly, in the end, those shares and corporate bonds must do badly also.

  16. Labour codes – and the European Union.

    There are a lot of E.U. regulations – but national labour markets are still different (different regulations in different countries).

    Labour markets such as those of Greece, Spain, Italy, France (and so on) just do not seem to work.

    Whereas the labour market in, for example, Austria seems to be sort-of working.

    Yes – I am judgeing by unemployment levels.

    A crude measure I admit – but the best measure we have.

  17. Yes paul, I think you understand the situation as well as I do, one thing I differ on is the time, scale, I think it could last a decade, we need to look at the decline and idicators of growth, where there is none clearly shows there will be no change, I note what you say about europe, I have been there many times, of course they have a different legal system regarding employment law, as well as criminal law, when you look at this point it makes a nonsense of David Blunkets CRC checks proving a total waste of money, as they say one man’s meat is another man’s poison.I don’t really think we will ever see unification of employment law, or the criminal law, it is ironic in england if you carry out a minor act you are a criminal, if you travel abroad no such law exists, of course the same applies to HS laws depending where you are, some parts of europe are not so obsessional on that issue as we in england are. Of course the main problem with germany at the moment appears to the massive influx of immigrants, these appear to be a bone of contention with many german people, I do understand their concerns, if that not bad enough they are being asked to carry the cross for europe, how much can they take! It’s difficult and unfair to ask people to work harder to pay for tax fraud and the problems in greece and spain which estentially they caused by their own making!

  18. I do not know how long the present system will last, But I do believe that growth is over – in short that 2013 will be worse than 2012 and 2014 will be worse than 2013.

    Of course we will see if I am right or wrong.

  19. Good analogy, History will tell, as ancient Rome indicates, I have
    to say I think you are right, no miracles on the horizon at the moment!

  20. Even when good fortune occurs – the political (and cultural) elite spit upon it.

    For example, California has vast amounts of shale oil – but there is no chance the State will allow development (they would rather have economic collapse).

    And natural gas and “fracking” – the technolgy that has saved the United States from having to pay a fortune to various governments in the Middle East?

    The elite (poltical and cultural) hate it – they will find some way to destroy it.

    There is already a propaganda film out against it – with Matt Damon.

    Funded by the U.A.E.

    The whole thing, spitting on what chances that are offered, reminds me of an old joke.

    A man is shipwreaked on a desert island.

    He offers up prayers to God for help.

    Later he sees a ship pass by close to the island.

    “I could try and attract the attention of the crew – but that would be insulting to God, He will help me…”

    Later still an aircraft passes overhead.

    “I could try and attract the attention of whoever is in the aircraft – but that would be insulting to God, He will help me….”

    Even later a helecopter comes over.

    “I could try and attract the attention of those people in the helecopter – but that woudl be insultng to God, He will help me…..”

    And so the man starves on the island – and in his agony he calls out to God…..

    “Why did you not help me?”

    And a voice replies……

    “Well I sent a ship, an aircraft, and a helecopter”

  21. I think you’re dead right, people are hard to please, we have to accept new
    developments in order to survive as a human race, it’s the same in england,
    they don’t want coal power stations, no nuclear stations, give them wind farms, they still complain and protest about the eye sore, on issues of
    such important magnitude, the courts should overule them in the best
    interests of the counrty! Some people you will never please, but we do
    have to accept new tecnologies to safegard our countries and retain
    our economic stabilities, it’s really as simple as that! The fuel crisis will not go away
    we need to find alternatives for obvious reasons, and quickly!

  22. I have of course thought a lot about the fuel crisis, i think the middle east
    holds us to ransom on the price of oil, I think nuclear could be an option,
    I have done some research on nuclear carries submarines,I believe small
    reactors could be built in numbers that would be easy to control and make
    safe, all though these would not solve all of the problems they could certainly run small towns hospitals, they could be located off shore, or even
    in ships. The electric car is comming along in leaps and dives, the problem
    is the charging, I think they will find a way to speed up the electron transfer
    into the batteries, they now have a range of 100 miles, top speed as good
    as petrol, I think they will solve the problem within a decade, and of course
    there has been some progress in turning waste oil into fuel, many cars
    run on this, an alternative fuel for the automobile must be found if we want
    independence from the middle east.

  23. As I said paul, conformation today that the bulk of christmas spending was done on the back of the credit card, news also confirmed this tonight, Not Good!

  24. Personally if I were stuck on a desert island, I hitch a ride on the back of a
    great white and take my chances if that being the only way to get off.

  25. Small reactors may be the future – no I am not going all Kevin C. on you, it is just that they are less of a bother to manage (fewer moving parts – and they can be desposed of as one lump), and less of a target for protestors.

    Of course in the long term nuclear fussion (not fission) is the way – and that may well need big (not small) reactors. However, we have been promised nuclear fusion since the 1950s………

    We have to make do with the technolgy that presently works (which, of course, means fission), whilst still hoping that the men and women of science work out the problems with fusion.

  26. These appear to have good safety record, much easier to control in the
    event of meltdown, they have a very good record of reliability on the subs
    and aircraft carriers. they are usable at the moment, and of course as you
    say less moving parts much cheaper to run and maintain.

  27. Presently the cost per unit of energy from the small plants than the big ones.

    But, with new technology, that gap may well close.

  28. It seems the cost of fuel may be an irrelevent factor for many in 2013, 22% of the population have borrowed money to pay for christmas confirmed by the figures released today, we have become a nation spending what we don’t have, on the other hand camerons government has awarded themselves 132 million in bonuses last year, and massive rises in their pensions, and of course he has the informal impudence to tell us “We are in it together”. I wonder if the fuel crisis may ease with so many people being unable to aford to buy it, forced into fuel poverty, Cameron can’t hide from the freedom of information act, but one should question why the releases of pay rises and bonuses should be released over the christmas period, a very cunning indeed ploy indeed I might say!

  29. Perhaps the people are just copying the government.

    The government says it is “cutting” its spending – when it increases it. And the media (the BBC, the Economist magazine, the newspapers….) all discuss this “cut” in spending as if it were real.

    And when the government runs out of money – the magic money tree (called the Bank of England) just produces more.

    The government even has money to throw away on the European Union, and the United Nations, and the IMF, and overseas aid and……….

    And (before the “libertarian left” accuse me of missing it out) an unwinable war in Afghanistan (it is, of course, “racist” to even suggest that Western liberalism and Islam might not be compatible – let alone to point out that the vast majority of the population of Afghanistan are, in fact, Muslims)

    So why not finance a Christmas binge on a credit card?

    The whole country is going, de facto, bankrupt anyway.

  30. De facto indeed, I think the latest new law disclosed tonight will be interesting. CRB checks for all private landlords at £42.00 a go, no
    doubt debarring people from being landlords with any minor blemish on
    their character is going to lead to lot of homeless people, God only knows
    where they get these laws from, or who thinks them up, right in the middle
    of a housing crisis to boot!

  31. Well paul as for overseas aid, I think the government should give their own
    people some aid, disgusting giving money to India when they have a space
    programe, it’s become ironic, many of the countries getting aid no longer
    need it, and to be frank I think it should be stopped in veiw of the ecomonic
    crisis, many of the african countries only end up spending it on AK47’s
    or mini revolutions anyway, look at the documentary a few weeks ago
    british aid being spend on weapons!

  32. The situation is hopeless .

    What interests me is – are things hopeless in all major Western countries?

    Not because I am thinking of moving to one – I am much too old (and useless).

    But it would nice to know that civilisation has a chance to survive.

  33. Yes I think they are taking a dive at the moment, where countires economies
    are intigrated by trade when one falls the rest feel the knock on effect, despite the share price rise in the US today, nothing has changed to us
    educated in the money markets, this will give them a little more time afloat,
    but they must make efforts to deal with the issue or come april back to
    square one, things at the moment hopeless, former govenments made
    some serious bad decisions, may be immpossible to reverse at moment.
    The sad thing is ordinary people, thank god, don’t realise just how bad it
    could get!

  34. Of course paul it is sad what has happend to the US my late mother had dual citizenship, she lived there in the good times, in the 50’s they had plenty of bucks, life could not be better, one of the real problems we overlook is the damage inflicted by the likes of Bin Larden, he caused great world instability effecting the world economy, he caused this country billions, I don’t think they will ever disclose the real amount, as with the former conflict with the I.R.A. they were close to bankrupting the state, Bin Lardin had economic objestives as well as militray ones, he wanted to destory USA full stop.

  35. Don’t be hopeless Paul, don’t give up, there has to be a way out, there
    is a way out somewhere, the conservatives have taken the wrong road.

  36. In the end I put my faith in God.

    He will forgive my sins (if I truly repent of them). And life (whatever polticial policy is followed) is short.

    And if God does not exist?

    Then (as Suarez and the other Schoolmen never tired of pointing out) good and evil would be exactly the same (and life would be no longer). All one could do is to try and die with honour.

    As for this world – I believe that civil society will make a come back (I truly do).

    I just do not believe that I will be alive to see it.

    The power of “Social Justice” doctrine (even in the Churches) is simply too strong for anything other than total economic bankruptcy to break the spell.

    Of course Glenn Beck does not agree – but then he believes in an active God who gets involved in the world.

    I wish I could believe that – but I do not.

    I do not believe that God will save us from our own folly.

    As for me – no doubt I will starve in a gutter somewhere.

    Or, if I am very fortunate, die in battle – against the forces of “Social Justice”.

    That the battle will, most likely, be “hopeless” is of no moral importance.

    Day will come again (that, I repeat, I firmly believe) whether I live to see it or not.

  37. On Bin Laden – yes you are correct Karl, he did plan to TRICK the West (especially the United States) into war in Afghanistan. And his own death was (of course) of no concern to him.

    I am ashamed to say that I fell for the trick myself – in my folly I supported going into Afghanistan.

    I have the blood of brave American and British soldiers on my hands – for he who supports a war is responsible for the consequences of that war.

  38. This is why I never supported that kind of war, those in government failed
    to read into the Bin Lladen agenda,of course trick is the right word, of course
    his own death is no importance to anyone, he was grossly undistimated by
    both US and UK experts, he was eventially delt with by the most effective
    measures, removal of the king pins is the way to take them off track ! The
    problem was it came to late, the damage he had already done.

  39. Of course paul, the irony is, those in goverment failed to understand his
    masterplan, only people like us understood his level of intelligence,
    misunderstood by the so called experts!

  40. I doubt I am wildly intelligent. Indeed the most terrible absurdities are often supported by people of very high intelligence.

    Perhaps the traditional English dislike of “cleverness” has something to be said for it. Clever people are often very unwise.

  41. Well obviously more so that some, well I agree with the clever trevor english
    tradition, clever people are normally arrogant, yes, unwise, normally wrongly
    appear to be clever, as nobody else gets a chance to say anything anyway, As you
    point out clever trevors have a number of flaws in their personalities
    and of course many lack foresight to boot!

  42. “In fact, just about every building and piece of land central government stands upon would make a pretty penny in reducing the deficit if sold off, eh? The Department of Health’s Richmond House is on prime South London real estate within easy walking distance of Waterloo station and just an inexpensive cab fare to the West End. 30 luxury flats there would fetch a million each, I reckon.”

    Coming in late on this discussion I really liked this first bit. There is no reason why public servants should “dwell” in such prime estates. Especially now days. Even if Britain came out of the EU there is no reason to have offices in prime estates – move to less costing modern buildings and have the estates turned into housing projects and or have fee related museum, library, rooms for functions to let etc, projects within some of them for historical purposes.

    Parliament could sit somewhere else, Birmingham for instance. No need for the abused London Allowances then. Government should move out of London to make way for real money producing enterprises. Government should move to somewhere like Birmingham as that would be less costly than London. And has done much to promote business and innovation. The House of Lords should desist to exist – the House of Commons always get what it want anyway. Do we need a Upper and Lower Chamber? Can we exist with just one Chamber? I think so. Especially if those MPs and leaders came from entrepreneurship and working backgrounds not pure academic and theorised backgrounds – even though David Cameron had a job he did not get it by his skills and did not need to work. He was employed because of his background. He had enough money from Daddy and married into money to maintain a lifestyle of self-aggrandizement..Most British political leaders do. Well maybe not the BNP leader. Hmm.

  43. Well, may be not BNP leader indeed, but under the corrupted political system
    he would not be allowed to be priminister anyway, as when obama came to
    power in the US, certain, voices appeared from the establishment, making
    claims he would not have been allowed to be elected here, indicating he
    would have been politically destroyed long before he got to that position. This I do believe. British politics works in this way!
    As you say, the problem is they do come from missguided academic backgrounds, having a degree from cambridge or oxford, or being a member
    of the eaton club, certainly does not mean you have the skills to run a country, as you rightly state and we all witness!

    • They should not be trying to “run the country” – but (yes) their elite education gives them the feeling they can.

      Perhaps the mistake goes all the way back to Pitt the Younger – after all he changed the hours of the House of Commons so much that he turned into a full time job (even though it was not paid for more than a century later – 1911).

      Being a member of the Parliament should be a matter of turning up for a few days a year to HOLD THE GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT (as it is with the State Legislature in Texas – a State far large than Britain, and with a population of tens of millions).

      Instead being a Member of Parliament has become a JOB – with “success” meaning being promoted to being a minister

      By the way the American Federal government is (in its way) just as bad.

      Being in Congress is a JOB (a full time occupation – paid accordingly).

      And the President (via “Executive Orders” and “recess appoitments”) can bypass Congress anyway.

      Texas has many terrible faults – but it still, just about, “works.

      Britain does not “work”, and neither does the United States Federal government.

  44. of course this is the problem within the UK a dysfuctional elite, fooling themselves they can run the country, america for some it’s failings would never tolerate the circumstances we do in england, or the class elite controling democracy, we see this in the false promises of the irradication of nepotisim by the former labour government, and yet now we see whole familes employed in the state sector, how did equal opportunities disappear, the whole agenda seems to be the protectionisim of the middle class in state employment, irrespect of education, note the horrific numbers of working glass graduates unemployed. The victorian class system is as strong now as it was then! All we hear from both governments is give priority to the new middle class bureaucrats………………………………………………………………………………………..

  45. Well to note efgd, most councils seem to be sitting on untold assests and property with no public account, they appear to be free from regulation on
    this point, they sell to who they like for what they like, many councils
    in the east of england are stuffed with property and land, but the public
    know very little about their hidden wealth! Or who controls the administration
    of it.

  46. Daryl Mccanse

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  47. Yes, well very interesting comment daryl, but I do not see the relevance between this and westminister, or have I missed something, are they all
    smoking them buck shea at our expense! Very likely.

  48. Of course it’s interesting to note, that westminister MP’s are now trying to get an extra 32% pay rise this year, plenty of E cigs for them, and then they try and fool us by saying we are in it together!