Not Madness – Just Evil


Sean Gabb comments: This is NOT a waste of the taxpayers’ money. From the point of view of those spending it, the money is very well spent. The function of this project is not so much to stop people from disliking homosexuals and foreigners, as to make them feel ridiculous. They are forced thereby to acknowledge in public and to themselves who is boss, and that to resist the boss in anything is fatal. Also, once they have been bullied into such nonsense, the only way that many people will be able to retain any feeling of self-respect is to persuade themselves that it was all in a good cause.

Do you remember how Caligula appointed his horse as one of the Consuls for the year? Was this because he was mad, and he somehow thought the appointment would please his horse? Or was the act a deliberate humiliation of a still powerful and highly conservative aristocracy, the members of which now had to make public fools of themselves as they went about the business of consulting the horse on policy and fitting it into the traditional ceremonies?

There are similar stories about the victims of the French and Russian Revolutions. Indeed, I recall a case from many years ago, where some thugs caught two middle aged, middle class woman and murdered them. Before murdering them, they made their victims perform “erotic dances”. Again, this probably wasn’t because the thugs found simple pleasure in watching middle aged, middle class woman engage in lesbian sex. It was to humiliate the women and to break them into to whatever else was expected of them before they were murdered.

Going back to the present case, people who have abased themselves in the ways required before the altar of political correctness will be less inclined to protest at or to sabotage the tyrannical whims of their masters. Many, indeed, can be expected to join in with apparent pleasure. Some, no doubt, will file the humiliation away for some future time when the tables will have been turned. But most will go along with it.

If I am ever brought to power as the front man for a military coup, I will do many things. With regard, however, to the present outrage, I promise to identify which elected or unelected persons were responsible for hiring Aziz Associates, and then force them from their own resources to repay the whole cost. This, of course, will mean bankrupting all the relevant bureaucrats. It will also, however, bankrupt all the Councillors who failed to protest or vote against this spending of taxpayers’ money.

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Taxpayers fund council ‘adventures in Sindia and Lesbianandgayland’ as part of sessions on equality and diversity

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Razia Aziz: Organises the controversial courses and is described as ‘a coach, facilitator and performance and workshop artist’

Council bosses are being asked to imagine they are English economic migrants in the fictitious region of Sindia, or go on an ‘adventure in Lesbian-andgayland’ as part of publicly-funded training sessions on equality and diversity. More than 30 managers from Brighton and Hove City Council have been on the two-day ‘Leading on Diversity’ course in the past year – at a cost of several thousand pounds. In the session entitled Adventures in Sindia, the English Exodus, staff are asked to imagine that it is 2030 and the ‘world is a very different place’.

In this scenario, much of the South-East of England and East Anglia is under water. Millions of English families desperate for work have been forced to uproot to Sindia, an economic federation which is made up of China and India.  All the participants are asked to imagine that they are a seven-year-old child called

Sarah Hardy, whose family has just moved to Delhi. They are also warned that the English are largely despised in India because they have a reputation for ‘illegality, criminality, cultural conservatism and an inability to learn the host language’. The course material states: ‘Your seventh birthday was a miserable occasion. Your parents invited all the children in your class to a party.  All but one failed to turn up and none sent an RSVP.  ‘The only child who came was a Jewish girl from Hungary. Somehow you felt that she understood what you were going through, even though you never talked about it.’ The course attendees are told that while in Sindia they can expect to hear comments such as: ‘Why do you insist on eating that bland food? What you need is a good masala’, ‘Do your parents really force you to drink alcohol at the age of ten?’, and ‘What do you call an English virgin? A contradiction in terms’.  In the other session, staff are asked to imagine that ‘while asleep one night they have slipped through a wormhole in space’ and woken up in a parallel world where it is normal to be lesbian or gay.

They are told that they are now in a country where ‘heterosexual teachers are very reluctant to come out’, ‘the ideal family consists of a lesbian or gay male couple’, and ‘that conceiving a child by heterosexual intercourse is viewed with distaste’.

Brighton Town Hall: Officials there have been accused of wasting taxpayers money by sending staff on controversial courses They are then asked to consider how they would respond if people asked them: ‘What do you actually do in bed?’, ‘Don’t you think heterosexuality may be a phase you are going through?’, and ‘Is it possible that what you need is a good gay lover?’ The course for staff at Brighton and Hove Council was organised and run by Aziz Associates, a training consultancy founded in 1996.  The company is run by Razia Aziz, 45, a politics graduate, and clients include health trusts, local councils and Government departments.  Its website describes Ms Aziz as a ‘coach, facilitator, and performance and workshop artist’ with a ‘holistic style that embraces the intellect, body and heart’.

A Mail on Sunday investigation also found that other councils which ran equality and diversity projects last year included Preston, which spent £1,500 sending staff on three Journeys of Faith sessions, Kensington and Chelsea, and Test Valley Borough Council in Hampshire, which spent £2,800. Meanwhile, Hertfordshire County Council has produced a Making Our Mark On Equality And Diversity guide that says references to ‘girls in the office’ is inappropriate because it implies ‘dependence and immaturity’. The same council also has problems with ‘lady’ which has ‘over-tones of decorum and conformity’ and even woman ‘which has overtones of sexuality’. Officials at East Devon District Council have banned ‘little old lady, pensioner, youth and youngster’ and guidance to staff states: ‘White European people are also subjected to prejudice and stereotyping – Swedish (“porn and nudity”), Germans (“Hitlers who want to rule the world”), Irish (“thick”), Scottish (“mean, tight with money”).’ A spokesman for Brighton & Hove City Council said: ‘At a cost that is low by any comparison, our training role-plays are proven to do what they are supposed to do, which is to reduce inappropriate discrimination based on race, faith, disability, gender, sexuality or age.

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60 responses to “Not Madness – Just Evil

  1. This Political Correctness [PC] is an immoral imposition, as PC usually is. And people imposed upon are made to pay for the imposition.

    Part of the problem is that no one is spending his or her own money. There is no substitute for private property in spending & private spending is the only socially responsible spending too. Hume explained this in his 1751 book on morals. He rightly saw it as his best book.

    PC is ironically exceedingly offensive.

  2. Yes it is evil – but I would not just bankrupt the bureaucrats – I would execute them. I think it it because I was a Communist many moons ago that I understand the need to act harshly. As Lenin said, “In political conflicts, the goal is not to refute your opponent’s argument, but to wipe him from the face of the earth.” I think there is an argument for hanging thousands, at least, after a revolution. That bit about the word lady implying “decorum and conformity” was repulsive: what on earth is wrong with decorum? And conformity to age-old values would not go amiss today either. Watching the Jeremy Kyle show, it is clear that the main problem is that there is no moral compass, and so nothing to “conform” to nowadays with terrible consequences…

  3. dj is quite right. In the fight for Liberty a few bones will need to be broken.

    People who use taxpayers money to promote propaganda and what is basically a retarded attempt at brainwashing are acting in a fundamentally unethical way and should be physically stopped and then harshly punished.

    Highlighting this sort of outrage is exactly what Libertarians should be doing. It has an immediate, high impact and illustrates the nature of the enemy.

    I expext that Eric Pickles forcing of transparency on reluctant councils will unearth yet more of this abuse of taxpayers money. It is an opportunity to make an impact. I hope it is seized.

  4. As Field Marshall/Prime-Minister Gabb’s Principal Secretary of State for War (incorporating the Foreign and Home Offices, to save money) I will have most bureaucrats put on the street, employment-wise, about 2 minutes after an election victory (or a coup, which I would hope not to be necessary.)

    Their personal belongings found in their offices will be correctly labelled in bin-liners and left in rows on the pavements for collection. All other departmental property except saleable movables will be destroyed: this naturally includes all records of whatever type. The buildings may be sold, or perhaps pulled down to make way for farmland: the world’s food supply will have to be bumped up again after the Great Biofuel Starvation-Scam. Much stick farming for red meat animals, such as beef, will take place. The presence of many bulls and steers, no longer culled automatically but required for shagging as many cows as possible, will deter attack by starving bureaucrats. The animals for slaughtering will be stopped and collected up by shooting. Or we may perhaps devise games involving hunters, the bulls themselves, and specially-released bureaucrats to be chased by said bulls.

    The contemplation of a proper liberal/conservative/minimal-statist revolution does offer interesting and amusing possibilities.

    Of course, no pensions whatsoever will be paid to any bureaucrat from that moment of victory onwards under any conditions. I am not interested in any ideas of “public reconciliation”, for too much damage has been done for too long and too much that was good has been lost and destroyed.

  5. Do I get the impression that otherwise normally-mild-mannered and rational libertarians are beginning to get a bit angry?

    About time too if the truth be known.

    The anger wafting out of my screen here is palpably touchable. And moreover I have not seen a single **** word on this blog for…oh, almost two years. (Although our regulars know that use of them is informally discouraged (although not prohibited) through customary usage of language, and via simple good form, and “knowing the form here”!)

  6. David, yes I am getting angry with it all. The council tax is something that could have me storming townhall. But while some of the more egregious abusers of state power ought to be hanged, there are many minor hangers-on, and we couldn’t get them all. Eg primary schoolteachers who bully children for uttering non-PC comments. Think for the teachers who locked the child in the room in tears on his own for some innocuous comment while the mother was given a dressing-down for the “racism” of her 5-year old son – what do we do about people like that? In France in 1945, they shaved the heads of the collaborators – we need to do something to publicly humiliate the people concerned. The trouble is they number many hundreds of thousands.

  7. Afraid I am inherently optimistic about the truth.
    Not to say that the truth will prevail, because those that are for it are too muddle-headed as a result of all the propaganda that has rendered them into speechless, ineffective rage, and also because of the vast funds that are ploughed into propaganda for the lying, cheating and defrauding operation.
    But I am optimistic about the truth.
    I am firmly convinced as a result of my own experience, that where the truth is able to reach and connect with people, it changes the course of events, and changed the course of history.
    The activities mentioned in Dr Gabb’s article are more of the same propaganda machine at work, of course, as it ups the ante.

  8. @dj
    Then, there will just have to many, many hundreds of thousands who will never get a job again, not even working in MacDonalds or stacking shelves in Tesco (they will have access to children, you see.)

    We might offer to “take their houses” and other movable chattels like cars – (useless goods like sofas, tellies, chicken-manure-fermenters, biographies of Gordon Brown and Michael Foot and David Beckham can just be burned in pyres on the streets) – in part-settlement of the nation’s debts run up by their paymasters Blair and Brown. We’ll job the gear off at auction to decent conservatives from here and the USA and the Anglosphere, and pay the State-debt in about three years. We might them decide to go back onto the Gold Standard, having shipped off as many destitute bureaucrats as possible to Chindia to break rocks for their new railways.

    Oh, and I’d have their pensions confiscated, their bank accounts closed and their ISAs liquidated (the latter carefully and not all at once) the proceeds to sink more debt.

    These people have got to be made to realise that to do evil was a conscious choice on their part. If Hell is theologically a sundering from God, then they must be sundered from all other ordinary blameless humans in this life, for the rest of their natural, to highlight to them the gravity of the choice they made. They can reflect on it.

  9. David Davis, the idea of punishing these revolting people is heart warming.

    However, at the moment the best way of having an impact on them is through public vilification. I suggest that Libertarians search through the public records to find particularly outrageous examples of illiberal abuses. These can then be highlighted in a gallery of shame.

    I suggest home phone numbers, home addresses and photographs be put online along with politely worded suggestions that people might want to contact them to express their opinions to them.

    Bureaucrats HATE being made publically accountable. Time to make them unhappy.

  10. I sometimes watch Coronation Street although not religiously, and I saw a recent episode where the children were taken away from the Indian family (the Alahans) over some mark on the child, although there was no proof the parents had done anything, and they took away the other child for good measure. i think such programmes are designed to inure us to bureaucratic intervention in our lives by showing such things as normal. Judges who I regard as aiding child kidnapping conspiracies should be hanged. I am thinking of setting up a website, judgewatch.co.uk, to compile notes on all judges from press reports.

  11. dj, any website that helped crack the secrecy of the ‘family courts’ would be a good thing. These courts act in complete secrecy and without any oversight or accountability. Thank God for the internet, we the people finally have a way to render their impositions of secrecy obsolete.

  12. If the tools of illiberality are used to enforce “liberality” what do you fondly imagine you have?
    People like de Tocqueville make beautiful things and people like Robespierre come and stuff them all up.

  13. I came rather late to Marxist-Leninism. For many years, I read the relevant classics for the purpose of refuting them Sine about 1990, I have been learning from them. As an explanation of historical change, Marxism is a joke. As a how-to manual for the destruction of class enemies, it can’t be faulted.

    Forward to liberalism (via the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie!)

  14. Some fundamental measures to tilt Britain in favour of liberty and at the same time punish the enemy class:
    1. Restrict the franchise to British citizens who are neither on welfare nor working in the public sector. As an exception to the bar on public sector voters I would allow members of the armed forces to vote, possibly also the police.
    2. Remove all legal immunities and special rights from trade unions. Ban them entirely from the coercive parts of the state and other monopolies.
    3. Close and destroy the BBC.
    4. Leave the EU.
    5. Set up a truth and reconciliation commission, where traitors, Labour party politicians & activists, Guardian journalists, social engineers, social workers, etc. etc. can confess to their crimes against freedom and morality.
    6. Cut public sector pensions to all persons to in the classes within point 5. above.
    7. Destroy the reputation of the progressive movement mercilessly and unrelentingly.
    8. S

  15. Most agreed. I particulary agree with the truth and reconcilation commission. Since I haven’t gone public with this, I’m impressed that someone else has thought of it as a means of smashing the Enemy Class.

  16. Westboro Baptist Church burns the Koran and the US flag! An amusing message is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mCPhTwSAwk&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1

  17. Dr Gabb, do you approve of a violent revolution and an enforcement of freedom in order to achieve what you see as the desirable end?
    Whilst you do not specifically endorse it, this seems to be what you are saying with approval:
    “As a how-to manual for the destruction of class enemies, it (Marxism) can´t be faulted.”

  18. John B, you’re a sad case – we’d be lucky to get to the point where there was enough support to even think about revolution. Look at the American revolution of 1776-83 – do you think they should have refused to go down that route in defence of their rights? It would not be “enforcement of freedom”, but a defeat of the managerial class that is riding us, from both ends, at present. if you don’t support that, I can’t take you seriously as a libertarian – you wouldn’t lift a finger to throw off the shackles of the “New Class”.

  19. DJ, you don’t run the Libertarian Alliance.
    I was asking Dr Gabb.

  20. >>>DJ, you don’t run the Libertarian Alliance.
    I was asking Dr Gabb.
    ———————————————————-

    So what? Your “p0int” revealed you to be someone who didn’t really believe in liberty at all. I am not running any political organisation – but I can make that assertion for nothing.

  21. “No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets.”
    – Edward Abbey

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    Tony

  22. By the way, great day for anyone invested in GKP!

  23. Tony.
    I did debate with myself the advisability of asking such a direct question on this public forum, as to whether Dr Gabb, and thus the LA, supported violent revolution and the imposition of an order, albeit libertarian, on “society”, but then I thought that the whole tenor of what had been said, not by myself but by others, including Dr Gabb, indicated that this was a serious possibility.
    Therefore I thought this should be cleared up, if for no one else, for myself.
    Because I would consider such an approach to be completely un-free and undesirable, and contrary to any hope of liberty.

  24. John B, nothing ever happened to the Socialist Workers’ Party for calling for violent revolution, so why shouldn’t we say what we like on that too?

  25. dj, i really wouldn’t bother with John B. If he honestly thinks that a few inflamatory comments on this blog about what the enemies of liberty deserve are the moral equivalent of organising a violent revolution to ‘impose’ liberty on the unwilling then i am afraid that he is living in a weird world of his own.

    A lot of liberal/lefties have committed acts against human freedom that are quite clearly crimes. They should be punished. The enemies of freedom should be made to feel afraid and people should be aware that there are serious consequences for assaults on peoples freedoms.

  26. Funnily enough, you can’t register a site judgewatch.co.uk – as it is taken, as are all UK sites with the word judge in the title…. I think they have decided not to allow such websites. I have set up http://impeachourjudges.com/ , and I would like examples of errant judges. Things like the judge who decided that grievous BODILY harm included psychological damage – that would be for Parliament not the judge to decide. Things like the judge who decided parking fines are not a contravention of the Bill of Rights, because they are not fines, but “civil responsiblities”. Things like the judges who authorise the seizure of children – and the egregious case where the judge decided the child had been wrongly seized, but as the child was settled, the parents would never be able to see the child again, for fear of upsetting the child. These judges should all be hanged in my view. If you have any information I should include please email me.

  27. If anyone can suggest a picture to put on my site, especially one of the right size, at the top, I would like to know…

  28. John B – I don’t *necessarily* endorse a violent revolution. My main reason is that it probably wouldn’t make things any better. However, I do think that a legal seizure of power should be followed by fast and ruthless action to destroy our class enemies – and I do not mean by this killing them, but sacking them en masse and taking their pensions away.

    DJ – Excellent idea re JudgeWatch. The graphic I’d suggest is one of Hogarth’s caricatures – the one of three loathesome old judges with the Latin words “Semper Eadem” (Always the Same) above them.

  29. Here is the graphic I have in mind:

  30. I’ve just looked at impeachourjudges.

    Well done!

  31. OK I’ll put that up but tomorrow as I can’t be fiddling with it near midnight

  32. Anyone thinking of violent revolution would be well advised to read Dostoevsky’s novel “The Possessed” where he states that — in any group of three or more conspirators — will be found a fool, a fanatic and an informer. Wise words.

    Tony

  33. We are not conspiring. Just vaguely hoping one day the British people will grow the necessaries to take on the elite – but I don’t believe they will, and this multiculturalism lark means it will all be too late even if they do. We have been written out of history.

    Marx or Engels spoke of the non-historic peoples of Europe – they were furious that Czech nationalists scuppered the 1848 revolutions – or at least in their Marxist view the “camarilla”, the Hapsburg court, was able to create a scare that the revolution would lead to Czech independence and the break up of the Austro-Hungarian empire, and so ended up overcoming the revolutionary forces, and this meant to the Marxists that the Czechs had become the running dogs of the camarilla – they were the “non-historic peoples” who would never have a nation of their own and would only play a reactionary role in preventing progress towards bourgeois revolution.

    The Ukrainian marxist Rosdolsky wrote a book about this — the Ukrainians were another “non-historic people” according to the Marxists -and Rosdolsky’s book contains this quote from Engels:

    “There is no country in Europe that does not possess in some remote corner, one or more ruins of peoples, left over from an earlier population, forced back and subjugated by the nation which later became the repository of historical development. These remnants of a nation, mercilessly crushed as Hegel said, by the course of history, this national refuse is always the fanatical representative of the counter-revolution and remains so until it is completely exterminated or de-nationalised, as its whole existence is in itself a protest against a great historical revolution”

    So some ethnic groups were the “repositories of historical development” and others were the non-historic peoples standing fanatically in the way in various ways.

    Actually, we have become the non-historic peoples. Our culture is deemed no longer relevant to a globalised world, and our countries are being handed over to the new inhabitants, and so we are condemned to living a kind of zombie-like life…

  34. Dr Gabb,
    Thank you for your clarification.

  35. Tony – my friend Richard Blake,the critically-acclaimed and internationally best-selling author, has asked me to thank you for that wonderful quote by Dostoyevsky. It’s gone straight into his Churchill Memorandum!

  36. Let me add more on the reason to use the death penalty on traitors. I think we could not execute more than 10,000, although probably the amount of people who have actually abused their positions to ruin the lives of patriots and others is way in excess of this – think of every “little Hitler” headmaster at school, for instance. We would need to execute the most egregious, and destroy financially and morally the others – and I agree fully with a Truth and Reconciliation process for the majority.

    Dr Gabb’s book tries to avoid the obvious in the need for a violent seizure of power (note: no plans are in motion!!) and argues by shutting down one third of the state quickly we would immobilise opposition. I am not sure it would be totally immobilised – people in the civil service, the security services, the armed forces and industry would be able to organise opposition, and enough of these would have enough money to do so even were the state shut down.

    Lenin described revolution as the “festival of the oppressed” – and the idea of comeuppance coming to ever nursery school teacher who arranged for the social services to take a child away, ever personnel officer who twisted the facts to sack a “racist”, and so on is compelling. In 1660, the supports of the Commonwealth were most definitely cashiered! Quite simply, many of these people act in an “empowered” way today, as if the political situation enables to tread over people who disagree with them without the slightest concern for them – when, when it was the other way round, we did allow republicans, feminists, atheists, communists and others to organise.

    Secondly we would only get one shot, and would have to enthusiastically embrace it. Petty bourgeois morality – and Marx was right on some things, including the nature of the petty bourgeoisie or middle class, who effectively supported capitalism when the elite wanted them to, and then supported diversity/gay rights/environmentalism now the elite wants them to – should not stand in the way. We need to break with the ideology of our opponents, and John B and others here have yet to do so.

  37. Glad to be of service!

    Dostoevskiy’s novel is “must” reading for those who flirt with Jacobinism. There are those in the libertarian movement who raise the shadow of the gallows on the Road to (or from) Serfdom. An ill-considered impulse, to be sure.

    Tony

  38. There is nothing ‘ill considered’ about wanting their to be consequences for crimes.

    Lets stop being quite so bloody wet.

  39. DJ – I don’t like the idea of killing people, largely because I don’t like the idea of killing people. However, I don’t think it is pure squeamishness. What you are suggesting is a classical terror – Sulla, Octavian/Antony, the Jacobins, the Bolsheviks, etc. Punishing corrupt social workers and other functionaries of the Enemy Class sounds enjoyable. However, the act of killing sets precedents that make a return to normality very hard. The Jacobins and Bolsheviks didn’t care about normality, because they believed Utopia was just around the corner. What makes Octavian such a very great leader is that he was able to stop the Terror and replace it with something both highly stable and obviously better than what went before. But think of Sulla. All he wanted was to stop the social revolution that was tearing the Roman Republic apart. He thought mass-proscriptions were the easiest way to do this – kill the revolutionaries and their clients and useful idiots, and shut down the revolution. What he achieved was to make a genuine reaction impossible.

    Moving into the present age, Franco and Pinochet seem to have been more successful. On the other hand, I know less about them than I ought. But what we should want in the first instance is a return to bourgeois civilisation. We can hope that this will then develop into something more radical. You cannot restore freedom of speech and association, and the rule of law, on a foundation of corpses. The moment you kill Polly Toynbee and Andrew Marr, you put at the back of every other writer’s mind that he might be taken out one day and shot. You also put at the back of every ruler’s mind that he can solve short term problems by signing a few more death warrants. That turns writers into bottom kissers or front men for terrorism. It turns rulers into tyrants.

    You mention the Restoration. What is important about 1660 is not the small number of people who were executed for regicide, but the fact that virtually no one else suffered. Milton was locked up for a while, then released. The Army was paid off in full. Most men of ability who’d emerged during the Republic – Pepys et al – were allowed to make the submissions and continue. The new men who’d bought confiscated estates were largely left alone.

    If we ever seize power, we need to break the power of the Enemy Class by mass-sackings, plus the humiliation of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. But no killing.

  40. Agreed, no killings.

    Public exposure and humiliation of those who have abused their power to harm and bully. Fines and confiscations for those who have misused the public monies.

    But for the sake of justice and for the sake of basic political expediency there must be justice and there should be a fear that justice will be done amongst those who might be tempted to abuse their positions. As long as there is no fear of consequences for actions the enemies of liberty will continue to run rampant.

  41. “If we ever seize power, we need to break the power of the Enemy Class by mass-sackings, plus the humiliation of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. But no killing.”

    A very British coup. Quite right, too.

  42. Sorry, couldn’t find the clip I was thinking about. I’m afraid you have to wade through adverts, and when the programme starts, it’s about 37 minutes in.

  43. SG, I’m talking about executing the main traitors, but not the social workers – well they are small beer – I think I made clear in an early post that a distinction would be draw between the elite traitors, 10,000 of whom would be executed, and their lower-down hangers-on who would get the Truth and Reconciliation treatment, and probably confiscation of any pensions etc. Of course, I’ve reconciled myself to the fact that this is never going to happen, so it is just idle thoughts. But I am thinking of every single judge, all the police chiefs, all the MPs, the governors of the BBC and other organs of mass media incl print media, the leaders of the main fake charities, and all the bishops of the CofE and the other Anglican churches, some of the quango heads – these would be ones subjected to treason trials and then hanged.

    Yes, I am talking about a “terror” – white terror, not red terror. It would gain us the right to do things we otherwise could not do. I don’t know much about Sulla, but would be interested in any more detailed account you gave. Franco, Pinochet – wonderful!

    P Robinson said “a very British coup”. But that equals no coup at all – even more British. The Establishment remains in charge. The really is we remain too joined at the hip to the ideology of our opponents to ever replace them. Actually, the genius of the Establishment is to realise that bread and circuses (welfare+junk culture) create millions and millions of supporters of cultural decline – to think the British people would ever vote for abolition of the welfare state – dream on! As dictator of Britain, I would put the British people through their paces – and they would emerge the other side stronger and better. Those who got in the way would simply have been rubbed out. It could not happen any other way! Can an unfree people choose freedom? Sadly, no – as they are subject to the ideological and cultural control of those who would oppose that.

  44. I hope you mean, no programmatic political killing – not non-violence.

    I hope that you’re separating programatic political killing, from the ability and willingness to use violence to take over and dismantle the state, which has usurped the economy, and now employs or effects an egregious number of people.

    Non violence is an epistemic principle for organizing a social order that requires private property for calculation and coordination of voluntary actors. But violence is a necessary component of maintaining non-violence. It is also a necessary property of a propertied society.

    I simply want to fight, as did my ancestors, in both the American and English revolutions, for “my rights as an Englishman.” And if a man is not willing to do so, I think he merely wishes to obtain those rights at a vast discount, by externalizing the costs of his liberty onto others. Is that not externalization of costs not just theft and fraud?

    Violence is a virtue. It is the first virtue. It is the first skill, the first asset that makes a man free from coercion. Without violence, we cannot have freedom. Strength makes it possible for the freedom loving minority to create and mandate property rights, and to defend a market, and to pursue our aspirations free of the dictates of those who would take our freedom from us.

    The western model is the product of a voluntary fraternal order of city building, market making soldiers. That fraternity is our source of freedom. That freedom did not, and will not, exist without the investment to both institute and defend it. Fraud and theft are too convenient a suite of tools for man.

    As we become a minority, we begin to act like one – and as Sean states, the Marxists have written the manuals on insurrection. It is only after we obtain power again, and restore the Fraternal Order we call freedom that we can outlaw the state and statism.

  45. DJ – Certainly, we only get one go at out revolution. I’m watching the present sorry apology for a Tory Government – because there was no immediate purge, you can see the forces of resistance gathering strength every time you turn on the Today Programme. We must act with great speed and resolve after any seizure of power. But I still don’t think it would be a good idea to kill these people. We should sack them. We should take their pensions. We should publish the archives and expose them as the fools and traitors that they are. We should allow ordinary people to sue them into bankruptcy. We might also bar them for life from any public office. But the consequences of putting them to death would be generally negative.

    Before we take their lives, we should consider the gentle option of taking everything else.

  46. “Lets stop being quite so bloody wet.”

    A foundational element of Liberalism is that the laws should be upheld with only the absolute minimum of necessary violence.

    Not “wet” — just Liberal.

    Tony

  47. Well I see your point of view, SG and others. For me, a restoration of normality means the restoration of the Common Law, and that includes the death penalty for treason – and if there is no death penalty for treason, logically there won’t be for lesser crimes, such as murder (which is a lesser crime).

    Anyway, we won’t get any chance at all – so it is all academic. As I said, we are the non-historic people destined to be effaced by history.

  48. Anyway, maybe we can agree that death penalties all round are merited, and that it is merely a question of our tactics whether to do so or not. We might decide, as SG said – and given that it would be a joint decision after coming to power and I would be in the minority – “we” might decide not to use the ultimate sanction against them. That’s not because to do so would be morally wrong, but would form part of our calculus of strategy. As SG has made clear, it would be stupid of me or others to insist on a provocative strategy if that risked our one shot – and so may it is a practical question after all. But we would need to certain of our ability to immediately overawe our opponents and keep resistance from them at a minimum, and if that is assured, then maybe we could hold fire on the other stuff…

  49. These people deserve to die with ropes about their necks. But I would urge the unwisdom of giving them what they deserve without an absolutely compelling reason.

  50. Tony Horlick, i’m not a liberal. Sometimes violence is necessary and justified, i think fannying around like a bunch of prissy ladies worried about getting some dirty on our nice clean white gloves is just ridiculous. Fine principles are all very well, but fine principles need to be defended, sometimes by means that are not quite so fine.

    As it is, i don’t think killing people is the right goal, however deserving some individuals may be. Instead public exposure, confiscations, fines and in some cases imprisonment should be the most effective approach.

  51. If you’re going to use my name, at least don’t misspell it. TVM.

    Tony

  52. I don’t think revolutionary violence can be ruled out in advance – it would depend on the situation, and as such a situation is not in sight, how can we know what we will have to do? No more Menshevik bloviating!

  53. This “kill your enemies” stuff guarantees the attention of MI5 whose brief is to uphold parliamentary democracy. Choose ‘killer’ rhetoric and you destroy any prospects for making a constructive difference.

    Tony

  54. Tony, we can’t make a constructive difference. I am afraid the managerial elite, as Sam Francis described them, are well ensconced and are not going anywhere. The battles you/we are trying to fight were all lost in the 1950s. There is not going to be a libertarian revolution, whether via a putsch or via democracy. It just ain’t going to happen. M15 are probably well aware the Libertarian Alliance is a zero threat to the powers that be.

    I am afraid we have been completely defeated. I find the libertarian arguments interesting, but they ain’t happening.

  55. The only thing is, as the managerial elite are tied to the state in so many ways, I would experience a rush of schadenfreude to the head if the economy truly collapsed. Great Depression? Bring it on! As Lenin said, vsyo khuzhe, vsyo luchshe! The worse, the better – and SG, it must be something similar in Slovak as that is related to Russian!

  56. We have not been completely defeated. If you take the Harold Covington line, that a revolution needs to be violent, and needs to begin among people who live within drving distance of each other, our own strategy is meaningless. However, revolutions, whether violent or not, are preceded by a long period of regime delegitimisation. Demannd violence for this is sufficiently advanced, and you get a glorified riot. Once it is far enough advanced, violence may not be necessary.

    We can learn much from Lenin et al about revolutionaty seizures of power. Even so, we must accept that the Russian Revolution did not begin with the storming of the Winter Palace, but with the radicalisation of students in the 1870s, and the growing sense of moral bankruptcy among the elite from about a decade later.

  57. Indeed, delegitimise the enemy so that they realise themselves that their positions of privilege are not the just reward of virtue but simply the cynical spoils. At that stage self doubt takes root and their is a process of hollowing out so that the mightiest looking institutions become inwardly vunerable.

    The Soviet Union looked mighty, but even its own elites had lost self belief. In contrast, the Chinese elites maintain a virulently healthy sense of self belief. Contrast the different results.

  58. Yes, C H Ingoldby, the internal confidence of the elite is key.

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