by Sean Gabb
I don´t know why I hate these people more – their manifold treasons against us, or their cynical murder of hundreds of thousands in kossovo, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Since it is illegal for me to wish good luck to any suicide bomber in his hunt for Tony Blair, I can only hope that he lives long enough for a revolution in this country to let him be fairly tried for his crimes, and then hanged beside Marble Arch.
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For Life, Liberty and Property
This is the first time I’ve been able to agree with you 100%
I can’t disagree.
Lol, Why are you so inconsistent?
Don’t you believe that the Tony/Brown Junta is doing great things to Afghanistan the same way EIC did to India for which you want every Indian to e grateful to you?
You need to be consistent, otherwise change the blog’s name to “Musings of an imperialist racist pig with some fits of Libertarianism”
[i]But since he didn’t, the Indians might at least have the grace to thank us[/i]
Lol, since when the racist pigs started claiming that they are Libertarians?
Who “us” are you mentioning about? Collectivist pigs will never understand, libertarianism is not about that “us” it is about you, what have you done for anybody?
Freaking collectivist monsters are now starting to call themselves libertarian!
Since you have called me a racist pig, I am sure you will not mind if I call you a silly little woman.
@SudhaAmit :-
I could not imagine a man who is less _/what GramscoStaliNazis/_ call racist, than old Sean Gabb.
I have known this gentleman for about 30 years, although the exact time of knowing is now lost on both of us, as it should be: this sort of thing is totally unimportant. As well as being a Masterful Practitioner Of The Queen’s English, he speaks several languages fluently, including things like Slovak, Latin and Greek, and he has a “foreign” wife, as do I, and a child by her, as do I (two in fact) by my “foreign” wife). I too am “foreign (don’t ask.)
The Libertarian Alliance Blog could not be more anti-racist, in a GramscoStaliNazi sense, even if it consciously tried so to be.
The GramscoStaliNazis invented, some decades ago, and have promoted, the term “Racism”. It means nothing, for if you will please know: there is rather less genetic diversity within the entire human genome than there is in an average laboratory colony of Fruit-Flies, or a pond full of tadpoles representing one species of frog.
And I can’t think that you as an intelligent person, would be referring to us here as “freaking collectivist monsters”. You must have meant someone else by mistake, such as Gordon Brown or Tony Blair or the late Kin Jong-Il. or the late Fidel Castro, or the current POTUS the Obamaniac.
@SudhaAmit
I do see from your own writings that we are on the same side.
You must understand that, however imperfectly you may think it was done, WE, the English, Showed The World Where The Door Out of Hell Was…we POINTED LOUDLY to it, and we got memorably shafted for our pains.
You and I both know that the real enemy, which is the Political Enemy-Classes of your country, India, and mine here, and all others, has/have not been utterly, utterly vanquished and extirpated.
I as an Englishman would truly love to see a powerful modern India, punching above its weight in the world.
It would be like having a child.
“I do see from your own writings that we are on the same side.”
No, Dr Davis, “WE” does not work when you use “us” and “they”, implying natural superiority of the English and insist on Indians prostrating before the English queen. And then you use “We” when it is convenient to you.
I had quite erroneously followed your website fondly until now. I was stupid enough not to realize that you follow a cultish concept of ethno-centric libertarianism aka neo-conservationism.
The biggest irony is that Indians are known, rightly, for non-linear thinking. Based on what I have read on your recent blog (one was conveniently deleted by you) on kohinoor, I must say that every Indian has put forth a linear, rational and objective approach. Dr Gabb, you, and some others from LA have taken a pathetic irrational approach.
Goodbye.
Oh dear, that post is still in my feed reader…
Nationalism y’know, not nice.
Yours,
The libertarian previously known as Gandhi (which a linguistic ubergenius would not misspell as ‘Ghandi’).
Whilst I am sure that hanging them would bring so much pleasure (in justice being done) to so many, the really important thing is to publicly discredit these people, the Labour Party and the wider “progressive” movement of which they are part. Whether this happens through treason trials, a “truth and reconciliation commission”, the writing of a latter day British Victor Hugo or in some other manner, is unimportant, however it must be one of the principle strategic aims of all patriots and libertarians to ensure that it does happen.
Why all the rancor about British rule in India? We too got a dose of empire, the Romans, for good or ill, they are part of our history and the world’s history.
The English language evolved from many languages after waves of immigrants to England, it is nevertheless the gift the Empire bestowed on the world, the nearest thing to a world language. Latin, gift from the Roman Empire, gave us the key to knowledge from the dark ages; hopefully English gives the world a lingua franca for technology and philosophy. English reflects that fact that many peoples created the language.
Much of eastern religious thought has been imbibed by the New Age movement via skilled translations from the sources in India. There is always a two way street in world affairs, no empire exists in a vacuum. Britain is deeply marked by India, no high street or small town, and many villages, have Indians going about their business for most of us they are very welcome to the English scene. I don’t bother to apologize for the bigots and racists amongst us I ignore them, we all have them.
As a Celt, one has moments of animosity to the Sassenachs (meaning Saxons) at football matches or other events of national sectarian interests. India has its issues no doubt between its states and principalities let alone Pakistan, more pointedly Kashmir. India is no different in having concerns of Empire and no less a concern about what is India’s.
The fact is that all nations have moments of jingoistic pleasure in their achievements; no doubt Indians have such thoughts about other nations. Batting for India is fine; don’t lose the larger issue of dealing with progressive regressive political realities far more rancorous than disputes, though valid, about history. We are in it together, or it will take longer to sort out the mess. Mr. Jayant Bhandari you are at perfect liberty to call us out on the jingoism, but don’t throw us out with the bathwater.
The much vaunted British Empire always had detractors and still does. It is a fact of history and we are proud of the good bits and we are more than willing to consider the bad bits. The Empire is no longer, we exist as a memory and as a culture. The culture has many stamps of empire on it, India is everywhere in England, evident on the surface, the Curry Houses and cricket players but more importantly, and more deeply, in professional Indians such as doctors and barristers that hail from the Sub Continent. India is deeply rooted in the United Kingdom.
Anyway, what is so wrong about neoconservatives? For you there are issues here, put them out there, you may find much to agree on the subject. Most libertarians have massive bones of contention about the history of Quisling conservative and Republican parties that espouse conservatism before election and promptly avoid any conservative principles of import once elected. Dr Sean Gabb has some choice comments about what needs to be done about these issues.
As Noel Coward said “Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun”, so we did, all over the world, the sun never set on the Empire or did it? In reality it has long set, you speak English and are thoroughly adroit in letting us know what you feel. Don’t get mad get even, keep the debate going.
I know these people in the Libertarian Alliance, they strive to do the right thing and, like all of us, we have corners of our world view that may not jive well with you. Speak and your view will have an impact, that is the essence of debate. Libertarians are notorious for not agreeing on many things you would not be the last to have this problem with us. Agreeing to disagree is part of the craft of libertarian thought, unlike the millenarian socialists and other bigots, libertarians seek the eternal debate to strive for perfection. The secret is that perfection isn’t the human condition; all is a work in progress. Personally, I consider Karl Popper’s view of the way knowledge works; it is always on a provisional basis.
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I don’t hold any specific fondness for the British Empire; I recognise its history and interesting origins. I think much of its legacy has been positive, but it is, nevertheless, and empire we are talking about.
The trouble I have with Sean’s reasoning is that Sean is, as we know, an eloquent defender of Britain’s right to be a self-governing, parliamentary nation and free of the “empire” of the European Union. So how can he also defend an empire simply because we happened to be running it?
Come to that, many parts of the Empire were already getting restless long before the big colonial retreat in the 1950s and the 1960s. A strong, noisy independence movement was under way in India before WW2; Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Canada were moving on their own paths before then.
And of course the United States, who were never offered seats in the Lords or Commons, decided that the idea of being taxed by folk thousands of miles away before the age of modern communications was both intolerable and impractical, and hence seceded, much in the way that Britain might want to give the EU the bird at some point.
So while I can follow some of Sean’s argument, I see some glaring inconsistencies, too. May I suggest that we make these the subject of a debate at the LA conference in late October? Something like “Empires – libertarian perspectives”, or suchlike.
Bests,
Tom
hang brown and blair .
will you daft twats just hang the basterds