Libertarian Alliance quote of the day…a rave from the grave…blast from the past…now and for ever.


From our own comment thread on here.

David Davis

Stuff was in red, because at the time when the Nissen-Hut-chimps lifted stuff bodily from what people other than they themselves had typed, the supervisor-chimpanzee insisted that it ought to be highlighted. Chimps, while being ever so politically-savvy, are not – by socialit-Nazi-standards very intelligent: and so it was merelydecided that the colour of the text would be altered to show external authorship – a rather simple solution. All the chimps agreed, and gyrated about in return for bananas, so it just sort of, er, happened.

Ian B // 7 April, 2010 at 2:42 am (edit)

Sean, I don’t think voting makes much difference at this stage, but as I said before, better to vote counter-hegemonic (UKIP, LPUK, even BNP) than pro-hegemonic. Cameron’s entirely a creature of the Enemy- indeed his plan for 5000 state activists, funded via the Proggie Network, will just broaden and deepen their power. A Tory government certainly won’t help us a single jot. A Tory lose however may throw that useless bunch of quislings into terminal disarray.

I also don’t think Chris Tame’s worthy plan- of influencing the ideological hegemony- is going to ever work. It simply isn’t in their class interest to listen to us, even if the occasional maverick does. The reality is that the Gramscian methodoloy works for people seeking to expand state power, in their own interests. We need a better political strategy that will work for people trying to abolish the ruling class.

So one way of looking at it is, we have to achieve what the Marxists failed to achieve, which is the mobilisation of the proleteriat- in our case, our proleteriat being everyone outside the government, rich or poor. The big problem is that over the past century the state has expanded into every area of life. It’s not going to be easy.

One thing in particular libertarians have to stop doing is attacking weak people. You mentioned in your book the political error of banging on about welfare recipients, and I entirely agree. The Enemy succeed because they always, always, ally themselves with some perceived weak group (the poor, blacks, gays, etc) so that even when they’re doing something ghastly, it’s “in a good cause”. Attacking poor people etc is equivalent to being seen kicking a cripple in the head. Even when you explain he stole your wallet, people will still think you’re a bastard. No wonder the “right”, or the non-left, or whatnot, have consistently lost with such dunderheaded ignorance of human nature.

We may need to rebrand ourselves. We certainly need to start working under non-libertarian banners. Greenpeace may be a socialist group, but they don’t call themselves that. We need to pump out philosophy and propaganda, we need to make whatever alliances we can, and we need to pull together realistic programmes that show how a society can transfer from state dependence to liberty without millions collapsing into poverty, rather than the libertarian habit of arguing constantly about what the Glorious End State will be after some miraculous transformation. We’re in the position of wanting to free some poor desperate population from a ghastly Victorian institution. But the fact is, they’ve lived there their whole lives. They don’t know how to cook, or get a home, or go to the shops. If we threaten to fling the doors open and turf them out onto the streets, we’ll just get terror, not gratitude.

Five more years of Labour, or five of the Tories, it makes no real difference. Whichever we get, things will be more desperate and ghastly in 2015 than they are now. But, things are better for us than they were five or ten years ago. The message is getting out. The Methodist State is reaching its apotheosis, the political class become more transparently fascist and disconnected with every day.

And, we must always remember that the State we’re in is not the inevitable consequence of government. It has the form it has because of specific politicking by specific groups that stretch back a century and a half or even two- kicked into gear by evangelists from nutty sects (Methodists, Quakers etc here, Yankees in the USA (Rothbard wrote a lot on this without quite following it through)). They are our enemies, and they have to be rooted out of the nests they’ve built. The dumb politicians who do their bidding are barely of consequence. Their grotesque schemes nearly fell to bits in the twentieth century, and it was only the marxists who saved them. Well, the marxists are gone now. Once people have lived a while under the new progressive puritanism, that’ll start collapsing too (it’s cracking in places already) and this time there are no marxists left. This time, it must be us who are waiting to take the opportunity.

We can win this thing.

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5 responses to “Libertarian Alliance quote of the day…a rave from the grave…blast from the past…now and for ever.

  1. “We’re in the position of wanting to free some poor desperate population from a ghastly Victorian institution. But the fact is, they’ve lived there their whole lives. They don’t know how to cook, or get a home, or go to the shops. If we threaten to fling the doors open and turf them out onto the streets, we’ll just get terror, not gratitude.”

    Which is why I have consistently advocated the need for a transition and a positive manifesto.

    DK

  2. …which is one reason I’m pleased you’re now the Supreme Glorious Leader of the LPUK :)

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    David, I feel honoured to have been given a front page spot :)

  3. Ian, I have consistently asked for you to write for us! I’d like The Devil to write here too, if only I could know that he’d not use the various **** words while on here…
    Me and Sean and Michael (and occasional inputs from Fred Bloggs and PeterD and Steven) can’t keep up the pace of thought, for we are all bloody tired: it’s hard work having to keep body and soul together and also fighting against socialism (whatever we decide to call its epistemological anticedents – and I know I want you to develop this strand of thinking, for it is potentially so right.)

    I unashamedly lifted your comment because I say it says everything about what our real problem is.

  4. It has long seemed to me that Libertarianism provided an accurate description of the problem but lacked a pragmatic solution. This left me frustrated and easy to anger at the continuing crimes of the ruling class. The philosophical case is unanswerable.
    I hope that more thought will be given to ways of making progress in the real world. Concentrating on the means of increasing the influence of libertarianism is required.
    I fear that this is not the strength of most libertarians, who are dreamers not doers. Indeed, the skills required are fundamentally un-libertarian. I believe that this article offers some ways to overcome this conundrum.
    A “better political strategy that will work for people trying to abolish the ruling class” is the sine qua non if we are not to die wondering.
    “Mobilisation of the proletariat.” Yes. Trust the people. Not by rabble rousing and vicious name calling, but by appealing to deep-seated emotions and the higher eternal virtues of patriotism and duty. Everyone believes themselves to be the only patriot left. Gentle mockery is a very effective and very British weapon.

    “We may need to rebrand ourselves.” Horrible expression, correct analysis.

    “to make whatever alliances we can, and we need to pull together realistic programmes”. The hard grind of business administration. Deal making. Accountants, lawyers and even salesmen, God help us, are needed here I’m afraid. But remember what power does…

    I would add;
    Avoid debating minute philosophical differences.
    Avoid inflammatory language. For “rooted out of the nests they’ve built”), removed from their comfortable isolation.
    In sum, be the reasonable voice. Libertarianism is a reasonable philosophy after all.

  5. David, I think the straight answer is that my experience at Counting Cats taught me that blogging isn’t my forte. But as I’ve said, I’m hoping to eventually create something in some other format that will be of use to the cause of liberty. The pamphlet you’ve suggested may well be the first such.