Peter Harvey and the “classroom incident”…Reading the story in full, one’s instinct is to side with the teacher on this one.


WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOUR LABORATORY-ANIMALS STARTED TO ASSAULT EACH OTHER, IN YOUR CAREFULLY-CRAFTED REMODELLING OF THEIR BASIC NATURE?

You’d stop the experiment. But read on…

David Davis

(They’d better not ask me to go on the Jury on this one!)

Go here for the details. Perhaps more later, bearing on the future of de-education in this miserable, wrecked country.

Some teachers may feel it’s time to fight back against the tide (about which I am told daily by students) of Wireless-Tele-Vision-driven amorality and lawlessness which is engulphing first the “worst” schools, and in time the rest, on the “State” side.

Update from Daily Mail: Year-9s! (I guess) I might have known: the very worst sort, it is the time of a teenager’s life when “school is dead”. An entirely an un-necessary wasted year in the “Curriculum”.

But possibly it was not the best thing for Peter Harvey to do, in the present circumstances, if indeed it turns out that he has seriously assaulted a student. One does not assault students, for it upsets the parents if the students have any, and it is demeaning both to student and teacher, for the relationship ought to work better in any case without this.

The reasons why teachers may come to the point of “losing it”, and decking the students directly, lie in the deliberate deconstruction of the educational environment. This deliberate policy has been prosecuted most particularly by this present Labour Government in order to produce a biddable and totally uncurious and uncritical “electorate”. However, previous administrations are also not blameless, notable all of them since about 1945.

One ought not of course to assault female students at all, which is the corollary of course, of the fact that it is not suitable for them to be soldiers.

We have to do other stuff first. The props of the current State “pupils are right, teachers are wrong” system have to be kicked away first, and then all Wireless tele Vision transmissions, with the exceptions of “Top Gear”, “DAVE” and the “Discovery Channel” have to be shut down for good.

Until the Enemy Class can be destroyed, and their power to deliberately currupt and enslave the minds of humans can be abolished, it is also not suitable for there to be Wireless Tele Vision transmission-ability in the hands of most of the people who run them now, and who “make the programs”. Until we can deal with the “program makers” and re-educate them in a rather special and exciting farm (un)designed for the purpose, we have to deprive them of the power to corrupt, which is to say, tramsmit.

Only Jeremy Clarkson and his friends will be allowed.

This sad event was bound to happen, sooner or later, under ZanuLieBorg, the GramscoFabiaNazis, and “educationists” – all of whom I absolutely blame, 100%. not the teacher and not these particular kids.

They are just sad lab-mice in a gagantic and wicked political experiment.

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10 responses to “Peter Harvey and the “classroom incident”…Reading the story in full, one’s instinct is to side with the teacher on this one.

  1. But the teachers should be able to work out that they cant’t hack it and find another job.

    The kids are forced to be in the crap schools regardless of whether they meet their learning or social needs.

    Todays’s children have hardly any real liberty, rigid curriculum, school/nursery from an early age, mad government who think they are evil and blame them and their parents for our problems. If parenting is the source of todays evil it is the parenting of the current generation of politicians and adults and the one that went before us. We have screwed up not the kids and not this current generation of parents, the results of their toil is yet to be seen.

    Is it any wonder children rebel and hassle teachers? Maybe they’ll rebel enough and sort us all out. Wouldn’t it be good if we could teach them to do it without violence though?

  2. You are right (to imply) that the kids did not make the schools crap in the first place but are simply forced to attend them. I presume you are blaming the State for this, since it owns and directs the relevalt schools, and what goes on in them with regard to what passes for teaching.

    I do not teach in schools, but one shrinks in horror at some of the stories of what goes on, specially in “lower sets” where the mostly male smart-arses scoff at the back (or the front) and make life hell not only for the teacher but for the rest of the pupils.

    The solution existed. it was removed. Scum who got themselves noticed for their “attitude”, and for their contrarian approach to authority in a school, ought to have continued to be beaten to within an inch of their lives.

    A particular problem exists with juvenile Anglo-Saxon males, whom (agree all authorities) are peculiarly difficult to socialise to behavioural norms that do not involve inter-personal violence. Fear and pain always used to work very very well: we even mamanged to produce a vaguely-passable model High Civilisation, the primary educational practicalities (such as pan-galactically-enormous classes of well-disciplined children, all facing the front and all eagerly learning interesting and needful things – even the ones at the far back) of which have been successfully exported to many other civilisations, notably Chindia and most of the Far East.

    Look, the poor teacher would have known, ultimately, that he was fucked, whatever he decied in the moment to do about what I predict will turn out to have been a teenage smartarse.

    Alspo, if the boy really didn’t want to go to school, as I suspect it will turn out he did not want to, then what effing business is it fo the state to force him, so that he pours out his backchat and disruption, not only on the wretched teacher but in front of the other children too, not all of whom will want to ___privately___ side with him.

    Of course, if they sided with the teacher in the playgorund, they’d get killed.

  3. If I read that right, you just said that boys should get corporal punishment because women can’t be soldiers – which are appalling things to say separately, let alone trying to draw a connection. Tell me I’ve misunderstood. Some kind of sarcasm markers might be helpful.

    I came here because I’ve just read this story, and was looking for a blogger’s reaction:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/8144366.stm

    Some horrible people have been locked up in prison for years due to being very offensive and provoking. The injustice of that alarms me. It’s very important that nobody is ever assessed as having written down the wrong ideas and therefore needing locking away: and there it is, happening. It’s like a plot out of Noddy, where undesirable villains are put in prison for being non-specifically bad, so that Toytown can be kept happy and clean.

  4. What in hell’s name is Felix talking about?

  5. I don’t know Curly Sue – I am trying to formulate a reply to him. Maybe tomorrow.

  6. Having taught in various inner city schools the phrase that comes to mind is ‘there but for the grace of God’

    We have raised whole generations of children who firmly believe that they have the absolute right to never be subject to any sort of discipline. Otherwise pig ignorant pupils can cite chapter and verse of the ‘Childrens Act’ and in any conflict with the pupils, the teacher will face threats of physical violence.

    In response, teachers are told to become entertainers. If you are whizzy and exciting enough then the pupils will be ‘engaged’. If the pupils are ever bored then that is automatically a failure on the part of the teacher. The result is that the pupils believe that they are in school to be pandered to. Then they leave school and are upset when they find real life isn’t quite like that.

    We are destroying our own civilisation in a way that couldn’t be bettered if it were deliberate.

    Thank God i am working in a private school now! Throwing away all those ‘National Standards’ Files with great advice like ‘try to make sure pupils come to classes with pens and pencils’ (who gets paid to produce these things?) was a very happy moment.

    Oh, and yes, women shouldn’t be soldiers, it’s grossly unnatural to deliberately expose young women to danger, and yes, corporal punishment is highly necessary for a large number of boys, without the threat of physical punishment there is nothing to withhold the inner barbarian that is so near the surface in so many boys.

  7. “WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOUR LABORATORY-ANIMALS STARTED TO ASSAULT EACH OTHER, IN YOUR CAREFULLY-CRAFTED REMODELLING OF THEIR BASIC NATURE?

    You’d stop the experiment.”

    Indeed but you wouldn’t go back to the old one that didn’t work either (the old smacking and filling the kids with fear way, but maybe you were joking with this). You’d look at everything that was wrong with both experiments, learn from the mistakes and create a new and better way to educate children.
    We need to improve not go backwards. We are human, we evolve, thankgoodness.

    “You are right (to imply) that the kids did not make the schools crap in the first place but are simply forced to attend them. I presume you are blaming the State for this, since it owns and directs the relevalt schools, and what goes on in them with regard to what passes for teaching.”

    I also blame a society that accepts it and parents who do not take enough persoanl responsibility to find a better education for their children.

    “I do not teach in schools, but one shrinks in horror at some of the stories of what goes on, specially in “lower sets” where the mostly male smart-arses scoff at the back (or the front) and make life hell not only for the teacher but for the rest of the pupils.”
    I am about to begin working in a school devoted entirely to such boys. They are damaged, distrubed kids who infact, from my visits there to date, do learn and more importantly learn to be social. It’s about creating appropirate environment and support for such kids.

    I’ve worked in all sorts of schools and those that provide decent adult role models and lots of physical activity work best for boys, this is imo one reason why the private schools do better.

    “The solution existed. it was removed. Scum who got themselves noticed for their “attitude”, and for their contrarian approach to authority in a school, ought to have continued to be beaten to within an inch of their lives.”

    Forgive the bleeding heart liberal attitide here.. I really do think such boys need to learn to take responsibility and behave in socially approprite ways. If they have not done so however it is because they have not had appropriate models.

    Maybe the boys you describe have leared to coerce and instill fear in others from unskilled teachers.

    These are teachers who lack skill to enagage children, and it would take some great skill to engage 30 children in learning, and then lose control and poise and use fear to coerce the kids to behave.
    This is no model for sociable humans of course that method will not teach them self control, it will only teach them to fear those who are stronger and use fear on those who are weaker.

    Maybe parents who coerce them to school and coerce them to “go away and not bother” them have also provided poor models of behaviour. If there is something wrong with how our children behave they have learned it from the adults that surround them. Some of course are wise enough to rise above us and improve on our example.

    Maybe a libertarian approach to education would be about taking coercion out of the equation and allowing the natural joy of learning to grow, maybe it would also provide loving care and stimulating teaching to children who would naturally develop good socialbility because that is the model they learn from the adults who surround them.

    We have had 1,000s of years of unreasonable violence and boys in particular have excessive propensity towards violence. Let them get to grips with this and learn the consequences through wrestling, playfighting, rugby, karate, fencing, computer games… whatever it takes, let them indulge in safety. One problem is that this natural playfullness in small boys is quashed by the mainly sissy fearful women who look after them. I think they do need to be cared for by people who have the guts to face children’s early violence in a loving way.

    “Fear and pain always used to work very very well:”

    Uh Uh it created the politicians, teachers and parents who we agree are doing a poor job today.

    “Look, the poor teacher would have known, ultimately, that he was fucked,”

    Many teachers are, as you sat fucked but they have not had the strength or inclination to improve the education system, they have allowed it to become what it is. They strongly defend it against parents who complain about it.

    “Also, if the boy really didn’t want to go to school, as I suspect it will turn out he did not want to, then what effing business is it fo the state to force him”

    Absolutely, if he were free to gain his own education on the internet or in the library or even at work, according to his own interests and needs he’d do better than sitting in the back of the class pissing everyone else off.

    If the current system was not compulsory children, parents and teachers would naturally create many different models of education all suited to those individuals who choose them.

  8. To C Ingoldby:-

    But it __is__ deliberate…that’s the whole point.

  9. David Davis,

    That’s the conclusion i am trying desperately to avoid.

    However, when we hear such inane nonsense about ‘allowing the natural joy of learning to grow’ and see how the State micromanges exactly how a lesson can be taught, right down to what colour pen the teacher is allowed to mark in, i just find it hard to see how any person could possibly think that the education system is there to educate.

    There seems to be a heroic degree of double think, self delusion and, i’m afraid to admit it, deliberate left wing propaganda.

    My lecturer at Teacher Training College was perfectly open, our role as teachers was to ‘break down social and racial barriers’. We were told that it was our duty to introduce ‘progressive’ ideas into the class. We all nodded, wrote the nonsense we had to write and repeated the nonsense we had to say, then went out to schools and tried to forget it all and try to actually teach.

    The Teacher Training Establishment and the Inspectorate are basically used ou want to as organs to spread whatever orthodoxy is current. That’s how bureacracies work, if you want to progress you have to mouth the platitudes coming from the top, however, those platitudes are so consistently viruently left wing that it seems there is ‘institutional bias’ which, if it were right wing would have provoked outrage in the media by now.

  10. “However, when we hear such inane nonsense about ‘allowing the natural joy of learning to grow’ and see how the State micromanges exactly how a lesson can be taught, right down to what colour pen the teacher is allowed to mark in, i just find it hard to see how any person could possibly think that the education system is there to educate”

    I agree with this comment, personally I think children learn best outside school.