Have the Trash Who Rule Us Done Something Half-Decent?


Sean Gabb

(For those not familiar with the background to this story, the Blogmaster adds a comment:-

Since the Socialists set out to destroy British civilisation in earnest for what they thought would need only to be the last time, in May 1997, there have been carefully-disguised but also sharply-rising crime levels against the person.  In particular a recent spate of lethal stabbings of (mostly) teenagers and young men, in the citadels of New-Labour-urban-Stalinist-Soviets, such as Britain’s major cities – where their Political Writ runs most surely.

So……the government seems intent on letting citizens take back some of the burden of law-enforcement and retribution. Truly, we are heading backwards into the future. The real solution is of couorse based on only two things:-

(1) Better people, this to be ensured (but it will take some time) by abolishing all the trappings of politically-correct socialist “education strategy” in the UK,

(2) Armed people, which is to say that weapons, possibly up to and including semi-automatic firearms, may be kept by Freeholders or (nett) taxpayers.)

(3) And here’s some other stuff about crime statistics and “reporting” of same.

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Legislation&title=Criminal+Justice+and+Immigration+Act+&Year=2008&searchEnacted=0&extentMatchOnly=0&confersPower=0&blanketAmendment=0&sortAlpha=0&TYPE=QS&PageNumber=1&NavFrom=0&parentActiveTextDocId=3479635&ActiveTextDocId=3479738&filesize=6582

Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 (c. 4)
  Main body
  Part 5 Criminal law
                          

Reasonable force for purposes of self-defence etc.
(1)
This section applies where in proceedings for an offence
(a)
an issue arises as to whether a person charged with the offence ( D) is entitled to rely on a defence within subsection (2), and
(b)
the question arises whether the degree of force used by D against a person ( V) was reasonable in the circumstances.
(2)
The defences are
(a)
the common law defence of self-defence; and
(b)
the defences provided by section 3(1) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 (c. 58) or section 3(1) of the Criminal Law Act (Northern Ireland) 1967 (c. 18 (N.I.))(use of force in prevention of crime or making arrest).
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(3)
The question whether the degree of force used by D was reasonable in the circumstances is to be decided by reference to the circumstances as D believed them to be, and subsections (4) to (8) also apply in connection with deciding that question.
(4)
If D claims to have held a particular belief as regards the existence of any circumstances
(a)
the reasonableness or otherwise of that belief is relevant to the question whether D genuinely held it; but
(b)
if it is determined that D did genuinely hold it, D is entitled to rely on it for the purposes of subsection (3), whether or not
(i)
it was mistaken, or
(ii)
(if it was mistaken) the mistake was a reasonable one to have made.
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Self-defence etc.

(5)
But subsection (4)(b) does not enable D to rely on any mistaken belief attributable to intoxication that was voluntarily induced.
(6)
The degree of force used by D is not to be regarded as having been reasonable in the circumstances as D believed them to be if it was disproportionate in those circumstances.
(7)
In deciding the question mentioned in subsection (3) the following considerations are to be taken into account (so far as relevant in the circumstances of the case)
(a)
that a person acting for a legitimate purpose may not be able to weigh to a nicety the exact measure of any necessary action; and
(b)
that evidence of a person’s having only done what the person honestly and instinctively thought was necessary for a legitimate purpose constitutes strong evidence that only reasonable action was taken by that person for that purpose.
(8)
Subsection (7) is not to be read as preventing other matters from being taken into account where they are relevant to deciding the question mentioned in subsection (3).
(9)
This section is intended to clarify the operation of the existing defences mentioned in subsection (2).
(10)
In this section
(a)
legitimate purpose means
(i)
the purpose of self-defence under the common law, or
(ii)
the prevention of crime or effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of persons mentioned in the provisions referred to in subsection (2)(b);
(b)
references to self-defence include acting in defence of another person; and
(c)
references to the degree of force used are to the type and amount of force used.
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One response to “Have the Trash Who Rule Us Done Something Half-Decent?

  1. Three words: It’s about time.

    “So……the government seems intent on letting citizens take back some of the burden of law-enforcement and retribution. Truly, we are heading backwards into the future. The real solution is of couorse [sic] based on only two things:-

    (1) Better people, this to be ensured (but it will take some time) by abolishing all the trappings of politically-correct socialist “education strategy” in the UK,

    (2) Armed people, which is to say that weapons, possibly up to and including semi-automatic firearms, may be kept by Freeholders or (nett) taxpayers.)”

    Spot on. Especially “abolishing all the trappings of politically-correct socialist ‘education strategy.'” I’m beginning to detect a sense of resentment among ordinary Britons at the level of egregiousness of elected officials and bogus laws (especially regarding “human rights”). I hope it grows into a groundswell.

    As for guns — we own several. No one would dare try and break in here.

    Hundreds, if not thousands, of would-be crimes have been thwarted by gun-owning citizens here. It’s my belief that had carry permits been allowed in Virginia, that insane student wouldn’t have killed so many people at Virginia Tech University. Examples of responsible gun ownership protecting lives are legion. To me, it’s just plain evil to allow ordinary citizens to be vulnerable.