Education education education. What a bastard, evil, wicked liar Tony Blair was, to emulate what his political forebears had also said……to think that governments could (and worse, should) educate humans


David Davis

The Torygraph was kind enough to publish today what I had said on its comment pages – remarkably quickly by its usual standards I might add – about how we could make “Britain’s education world class”….again or at all? The question about what “world class” meant was not strictly addressed, but this is what I said;

Britain’s education WAS “world-class”; in fact we invented the world using the curriculum and system we had.

Here’s a “TEN_POINT_PLAN” !!! (1) Junk the National(ized) Curriculum, hook line and sinker. (I mean the Nazi one curently used.)(1A) Teach ENGLISH GRAMMAR, properly, early on. About age 5-7 is not too late to save these people.

(2) Return to proper liberal Classical education, as it was more or less up to 40 years ago, and thus rooted in the continuous history and cultural development of the Christian West, found on Rome and Greece.

(3) Teach joined-up-history/maths/science as a unified philosophy, as it was for us then.

(4) Teach proper Geography, rooted in the History of the Earth, and the places therein. (Tourism trends, social/foreign-aid/government intervention issues and traffic control have no part in this, they are for bureaucrats.)

(5) Teach Latin and Classical Greek -the latter especially, and both especially to scientists. Teach them using the original timeless texts, as well as any shilly-shally-modern-themed stuff you want.

(6) Tony Blair’s pledge to have every school on the internet by 1999 or summat, has proved to be a hollow achievement. Put proper libraries, with books containing large numbers of words and text, back in every school. 99% of the internet is junk. The skill comes in knowing how to sift junk from seeds and nuggets that are useful. teach this for Christ’s sAKE, there must be people, mostly old, who know what to do. It’s called “knowing how to think”.

(7) Inject pride back into British history and culture. We did invent the world, and we should say so. Children will then want to learn this story, as it will be cool – it was for us, but we did not even need the word to describe it, for it just, er, was.

(8) Sack all teachers who are (a) Marxist or left-leaning, for it is a fact that the Left hates liberal Classical (that is to say, English) culture. Honest leftists admit this bent freely. take them at their word, and take them out of the education system. Either we are right, or they are. If we have the courage of our convictions as to what is right, we should steel ourselves and do this.

Hire all the old ladies and retired colonels instead who are left. I’m sure they’d be glad of the opportunity Once More to go unto the Breach.

(9) Remove ALL government involvement in what is taught. This will eradicate lies such as anthropogenic global warming, hatred of “firms”, for “polluting rivers”, hatred of farmers for “destroying the countryside”, and hatred of supermarkets for “ripping off consumers” and “third world growers”. Children have no business learning what governemtns say about themselves in schools owned and run by governments.

(10) Abolish the BBC, close it down, auction the archives to other broadcasters. Politicians will then not have a willing mouthpiece hostile to all the above plans.

At the risk of attracting major opprobrium, and at the risk of being called unlibertarian, I really really would advocate the cleansing of the UK school system of teachers who are even slightly sympathetic to socialist and (therefore) anti-liberal ideals. Now I know this is controversial, but I have (in my old age) difficulty figuring out how it’s possible for a socialist to become a libertarian. Either socialists agree that libertarianism is right, or they do not. if they do, then they are not socialists. If they don’t, then they are opponents of liberalism, which is to say conservatism.

I do not believe it is unlibertarian to expunge non-libertarians from posts where they could promote unlibertarianism. Either libertarianism is right, or it is wrong. If it’s right but will not fight, it will be right but it will fail. We live in an imperfect world, and many libertarians do not reailise this, and we may still have to fight for it, as this is still The Dawn of Time.

If they, the socialists, say that they are our opponents, then it does not matter so long as they do nothing to hurt people and force then to be things they don’t want to be.  they do not NEED to invoke Utopia. Capitalism bring them all the benefits they need and also to the people they say they srve. But the moment they hurt people, such as telling them untruths in classrooms of children, or growing “bio” “fuels”, then they do harm and hurt to all-people, and ought to be opposed, and by force if needed.

I wonder when the first “task forces” of assault-liberals, will assault biofuel fields, and (I don’t know what) burn them? It would be pointless, but also simultaneously symmetrical. 

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11 responses to “Education education education. What a bastard, evil, wicked liar Tony Blair was, to emulate what his political forebears had also said……to think that governments could (and worse, should) educate humans

  1. I’d agree with some of that, but I have to take issue with your claim that liberalism is conservatism.
    Whilst it is true that some conservatives can become allies of the liberal (or libertarian), they only do so once liberalism becomes the status quo, at which point conservatism will start to move towards it and resist any movement away from it.

    Thatcher was no liberal. She had some liberal instincts, but was at core a conservative who sought to uphold her view of society, which was a strong central state but anti-socialist and therefore more efficient.
    She had none of the liberal concern over concentration of power, except when in the hands of the enemy, that is the socialists.

    The National Curriculum was of course introduced by Thatcher’s government…

  2. Tristan Mills, an excellent comment there.

    I’d add that at the moment, libertarians/classical liberals have more common cause with conservatives than with socialsits (with whom we have none), not least on the enemy of my enemy principle. But libertarians are not conservatives and I think we must always remember that.

    One of the most enduring legacies of Thatcherism was the transformation of the police force into the guvmint’s private army, as used against the miners (whatever one may think of the NUM), hippies at Stonehenge (Battle Of The Beanfield, for those with long memories) and so on. This was centralised state power used to crush dissent, and wrought a change which condemned our country to police as ruling class militia. Thatcher had read Hayek but only took part of the message on board; she recognised the threat from socialism but was blind to the danger of centralist authoritarian conservatism.

  3. Yes I know…the Tories introduced the National Curriculum…..what a bummer. But what could poor Thatcher do, surrounded as she was in her government by all those wet socialist High Tories, whom she refused to hang?

    And how else could we have broken the Miners’ Union, at the time? (Not the Miners, who had been eternal victims of their union, but the Union itself?) 23 years ago, the Police were still on the people’s side, not their own one.

    The ruling class militia bit has come fully about under that miserable toad Blair – a true socialist in that he thinks the end justifies the means.

  4. Sack all Marxist teachers?
    That’ll leave about half a dozen teachers in the country then.
    Still, at least that will improve eductation no end.

  5. And how else could we have broken the Miners’ Union, at the time?

    *Tonto voice*
    Who’s this “we” you speak of, paleface?

    (Not the Miners, who had been eternal victims of their union, but the Union itself?) 23 years ago, the Police were still on the people’s side, not their own one.

    But is a mineworker not just as much one of The People as anybody else? Why were the police deployed on one side of The People against another side of The People?

    The problem there was the nationalised coal industry, as with any nationalised industry it provides a single, government owned employer for organised labour to attack. That makes organised labour too powerful. They can halt energy supplies, or transport, or anything else. But the root cause of that power to hold the country to ransom in their own special interests was nationalisation.

    Who are “The People”? The miners, like any group with power, were acting rationally in their own self interest. It was in their power to get their way, so that was what they did. Should a libertarian support the government’s use of its own militia to enforce power over some group of The People?

    Let’s look at it from a libertarian perspective. In a free nation, anyone would have the right to form any organisation. If workers wish to group together, that is no business of the government. If employers wish to sack them, that is no business of the government. Would super powerful unions form in a free society? Unlikely. There wouldn’t be the nationalised industries from which they gained their power.

    But the Miners’ Strike, and Stonehenge (of all things), set the precedent in this country for massed police power to be used in military fashion against segments of the populace disapproved of by the ruling class. Switch to Stonehenge; was it really right for such massive police action to prevent a mere rock festival which had been held for years beforehand? Was it acceptable for the militarised police to arrest people on the presumption that they looked like someone who may later break a minor law (trespass, basically), to use violence against them, to destroy their property, to terrorise them and arrest them en masse?

    No. Margaret Thatcher’s government must stand squarely to blame for the enemy police force we have today. The socialists have caused much of what we suffer under, but it didn’t suddenly start the day Blair walked into number 10. The Conservative Party has always had a strong social control agenda too.

    It’s wild optimism to believe that the Tories will create Libertarianism of any stripe. Sean Gabb is very right on that; they are all part of the process of, uh, defreedomisation. One ruling class with slightly different preferences.

  6. at least one miner (in South wales I think) was killed, by the unionized side not the Police, just for trying to go to work. not even in his own car, but a taxi. Is that the fault of the Thatcher gumment or the police? Or is it the fault of Marxism , not having had its arse properly and terminally kicked in, oh about 1945 and the short window thereafter, when we could have done it?

    The problme remains that messianic ideologies appeal to prickly theoreticians such as Pinter, sartre and that french deconstructionist whose name I can’t remember…Derrida, that’s it. Oh and Gramsci. Our trouble is that they not only go and rant on about it but they throw stuff as well,and persuade lots of others (mainly young, Stonehenge-frequenting-types) to do the same thing, and we don’t.

    The enemy is prepared to be very unpleasant to get his was, and we are not. I think victory will be in doubt unless we take on the WILL TO INFLICT CRUEL DEFEAT.

  7. On whom? A bunch of harmless hippies who wanted to listen to music and get stoned in a field that happened to belong to those bastions of the Enemy Class, English Heritage?

  8. No Ian (B) !!! No no no. The harmless hippies are just a symptom of a much deeper and more wicked assault – a bunch of “useful idiots” in fact. they have been taken in by pure Evil, pure Wickedness and pure Hell-Plumbing-Devilry.

    The harmless hippies will be dealt with separately. There may even be worthwhile trades they could learn, that (freed) drug-companies will pay for, such as growing hash or cocaine in warm places where you don’t have to make much effort to keep warm and fed.

    The painful and cruel defeat that I have in mind is for the polytechnic teachers, the left-fascist-mediarati, and the rest of the Enemy Class. I can’t think what they would be good for after such a victory as I sometimes dream about. Can you?

  9. Going back say 30 years ago, there was far less use of education as a political football than there is today. There still was plently of messing around, but the day to day running of classroom affairs, in other words what the teachers did with us, was entirely up to the teacher. As soon as the NC came in that was the writing on the wall as far as the old type of education was concerned. It now leaves an education system on the verge of being the laughing stock by the rest of the world. Sacking teachers is not the answer, removing political control of education is. Also stop all of those stupid league tables, tests and inspections (by failed head teachers in most cases) every time a kid farts. No one out of education understands what cheating goes on for all of those incredible results that just keep getting better and better!

    I left the the teaching profession in the UK nearly 3 years ago and would not consider rejoining what can only be seen as one of the most mindless cases of brain washing since the second world war.

    If I still lived in the UK I would set up my own school and teach proper stuff, good solid process based work that stretches the kids and makes them THINK and requires them to learn how to THINK.

    If I had my two boys in the UK still I would have to pay for them to go private since I can’t trust a system that has been utterly F***** up by a load of politicians with no interest in acheivement except their own.

    What the hell is going on in the UK? It’s gone arse up in my opinion and won’t recover until we get trade unions back like they were in the 50’s to the end of the 70’s.

    That’s a start.

  10. Yep, I agree,er, with some of what ismphysics says, above, but I am slghtly mystified by the value of trade unions in this. However the gentleman is right that the education scene in the UK has gone arse-up, and removal of political control would be a start. I personally would go further and propose that a Marxist-based-teacher-training qualification (the available sort these days) is actually a disqualification to teach.

    Are you a physicist, by the way? Just wondered – they are rare these days, and are by way of going extinct in their ancestral-range-habitat, the UK, right now. Among other things I teach physics at first-degree- and A-level, in my retirement, to various children of friends round here, if they show interest.

  11. My mention of the unions was along the theme that unions can go some way to foster the link between employees and their jobs. Give them some sort of feeling of ownership. Strikes were very rare in the 70’s in comparison to where I am now, which is Italy. In some ways these little inconveniences add some fabric and excitement to life, they also give you something to talk about to complete strangers.

    Obviously there are some union members that take matters too far and a return to that might be impossible in the UK just because of the many riots/deaths etc that would probably result from a return to random strikes.

    Certainly I find the lack of standards, the fact that everybody must pass very worrying. That wasn’t the case when I trained to teach, 3 failed the course, but it probably is now. However, I must admit to biting my tongue and holding back in a number of lectures during my PGCE just so I could pass without some sort of major investigation into my attitude.

    Yes I am a part physicists, I was originally an enginer and retrained, unfortunately I couldn’t convince my LEA in England that my ideas of teaching might be more suitable than the Nat Curr. I decided that Italy might be nice for a while and it is!